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    Quote Originally Posted by blue33 View Post
    Here is my IKEA Maintenance Trolley with Daiso Tools Hanger Cheap and good, most importantly is mobility, this is the best i can find, better than brand one.

    You can put fertilizer, maintenace tools and etc...

    Interesting trolley and daiso tools hanger. Was wondering can you pm me how much you spend on them and the dimension of the trolley?
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    Hi Nicholas! The price is actually stated in the early posted. The IKEA trolley is $19 and the Daiso(all items $2, $2 shop) tool hanger is $2, is fixed price i guess no problem mentioning here. The size of the trolley is 37.5cmX25.5cmX37.5cm .

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue33 View Post
    Hi Torque! Those rotala are actually branched from 2-3" from first trim, from there it spread 2 nodes, and from 2 branched trim and spread to more branched, occasionally i trim lower depending on the growth. For this tank the depth is pretty deep, it needs very thick bush and wider area to get the best results, so long the bottom leaves dont shed off is ok. Currently because of the front plant it gives you the effect of leggy, the rotala is planted back every trim again to get it even more compact, you can see it is resting beside each other.
    ?? 2-3" from first trim, i've always thought it will grow 2 more branches from where ever the last cut was.

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    What i mean is from 2-3" i cut/trim, from there it will grow 2 branched out, from 2 branched i trim again and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue33 View Post
    What i mean is from 2-3" i cut/trim, from there it will grow 2 branched out, from 2 branched i trim again and so on.
    Well, i've done that but the following are some of my results.





    Kinda odd, to see only 1 branching out from a newly cut node. The roundifolio in one of the pics had several cut nodes, but it looks like its branching out 1 dispite several cuttings.

    Which is why i was puzzled from your side shot of the tank.

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    The side shoot near the glass is i replant the trim one, so is only one stem, i plant it to fill the empty space there . For it to grow 2 branched out, there's alot of factor involve, such as strong light, good nutrients, good soil, good circulation to get them growing. Especially lighting, it doesnt mean you got more than 3w/g you grow well but rather the intensity that can make them grow, usually people with MH are more successful. Sigh...
    I came across someone with 1ft cube tank using MH, the plant grow amazingly beautiful. The best method to grow a beautiful plant is still back to lighting problem.

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    wow 1ft cube with MH, make me wonder how fast the plants are growing. an asked them to post photo?
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    Well Shadow, there are alot of hobbyist who dont go online forum, they just enjoy the hobby, and they grow amazing scape and plants. I meet quite alot this kind of people when i go LFS, they are humble people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue33 View Post
    The side shoot near the glass is i replant the trim one, so is only one stem, i plant it to fill the empty space there . For it to grow 2 branched out, there's alot of factor involve, such as strong light, good nutrients, good soil, good circulation to get them growing. Especially lighting, it doesnt mean you got more than 3w/g you grow well but rather the intensity that can make them grow, usually people with MH are more successful. Sigh...
    I came across someone with 1ft cube tank using MH, the plant grow amazingly beautiful. The best method to grow a beautiful plant is still back to lighting problem.
    Well, rotala najesan dont have this problem in my tank, therefore i was thinking it could be an issue with species. And najesan were known to be much harder plants to grow.

    In your nice 2FT, i've noticed them being planted tightly together rather than having several side shots creating that bushier effect. From your side shot it dispite a "1 stem plant" look instead of the earlier.

    I'll grab some shots of my tank when i have time, so it would be easier to spot the difference.

    Thanks again boss.

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    There's still empty space at the rotala location, so i replant those after trim. Saw Amano and some pro grab thick bunch and plant it in single spot, was quite shock to see that, normally people do is individual stalk they plant it about 1-2cm apart but they dont. The more compact and more trim it is the more bushy and nice, thats what those winner do. Amano always replant back the plant or get something to cover the leggy stem or even remove the same stem and plant back the trim one to get the best result.

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    The recommendation for stems is actually to plant 3-4 stalks into a single spot, not to plant individual stalks 1-2 cm apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illumnae View Post
    The recommendation for stems is actually to plant 3-4 stalks into a single spot, not to plant individual stalks 1-2 cm apart.
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    ya i think so too, but like blue33, ive also read to plant them individually 1-2 cm apart to allow the lower leave access to more light, guess both of us were reading the same materials online.

    The wonderful thing however is when i planted the najesan in the similar way, they developed side shoots readily and were able to have that bushy effect within 9 weeks of trimming; something which the rotalas sp/round werent able to do.

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    we have the reason why plant them individually. What is the reason to plant 3-4 stalks into a single spot?
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    probably so that the plants will look bushy from the substrate up, instead of only being bushy from the first branch onwards, and looking leggy for a few cm/inches from substrate.

    Just thinking out loud here...even if you plant them a few cm apart, by the time the plant bushes out higher up, the light will be blocked anyway won't it? Doesn't that only provide a very minimal advantage very early on when the plants are only a few cm tall after the first major trim?

    anyway, the planting of 3-4 stalks into a single spot was advised by Amano himself at the AGA 2004 convention. That is reason enough for most people...as long as Amano devised/advised it, it must be 100% accurate!

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    I read from one of Amano article, is that usually for us we dont get so much plant at one go, we replant what we have after each trimming to get it more compact, as for Amano himself he has ready big bunch of plant with him and not like us 1-2 pot of few stalks of plant to plant and most of the time you dont get so many same plant at one go in LFS. So in the beginning Amano can filled up the empty space on the spot.

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    I was thinking is you plant them 3-4 stalks into a single spot, would they fight for the nutrient?
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    Why would they fight for nutrients if you are using EI method! Stem plant most of the time using their leaves to intake the nutrient than the roots although they still do, unlike crypt mostly through roots. Sometime you'll see leggy plant with bottom no leaves at all, but the top still flourish well or the worst case black stem breaking off and top still flourishing.

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    because to dense and flow block by neighboring leaves?
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    Problem with stem plant is bottom part usually will loose lots of leaves, upper and above should not have issues at all. Given with good water circulation, it shouldnt face any problem. If you notice ADA filter is from 1200l/hr onwards, they dont make lower than that, reason why is planted tank should be given good water flow to bring nutrients and CO2 to plant bed. Another method for stem plant is to place something infront to block the leggy stem or the worst case is uproot and replant the crop one. More adviceable is to plant densely at the initial stage, that should work.

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