Wild Micropoecilia branneri

[SCOPE]

hi,
anybody here got experience in rearing these?

i heard from my taiwanese friend that some qty of these is being imported into Taiwan mean for Japanese market....this is very rare & first time in Taiwan. i may pick some next week while i am there.

i found very limited information on them:
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~k-poecilidae...anneri_jp.html
they are livebearer that are found in the Amazon

Hope to hear your comments

[loakita]

hi,
anybody here got experience in rearing these?

i heard from my taiwanese friend that some qty of these is being imported into Taiwan mean for Japanese market....this is very rare & first time in Taiwan. i may pick some next week while i am there.

i found very limited information on them:
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~k-poecilidae/fish/Micropoecilia/poecilia%20branneri_jp.html
they are livebearer that are found in the Amazon

Hope to hear your comments

hi any luck with this sweety ? i've look for this one to ... japan very expencive and permit are hard to get.

[Shi Xuan]

hi any luck with this sweety ? i've look for this one to ... japan very expencive and permit are hard to get.

Hi,

M.branneri is an uncommon livebearer species not easy to acquire. If I can list them, they fall under the exotic category as Giradinichthys multiradiatus, a goodeid species that is both difficult to maintain in the tank & hard to come by.

From my knowledge, even acquiring this livebearer from Japan might be a problem, especially after the disaster in Japan earlier this year, when many lost this fish. I think you will have better luck if you try to look for them in Taiwan.

[loakita]

Shi Xuan

thanks for the information , i will try taiwan...do you have the link?
Yes micropoecilia is not that easy to get, ... so anybody have it in Singapore? wish...wish...wish.
by the way i own spotted gambusia ( innes gambusia ), just want to let you guys know i happy to swap this babe this other gambusia ( else than holbrooki and affins) , poecilia wingei (else then snake and red chest) , or micropoecilia ( any species) .
Cheers

[Shi Xuan]

If you've been a bit earlier, I could have traded some M.parae melanzona 'red' for your gambusia. I've since given Micropoecilia parae Melanzona up in favor of some Annual killies & a wild swordtail species from a pretty population, Xiphophorus cortezi 'Vinasco'. I got it from a Japanese livebearer breeder, who happens to be from the Japanese livebearer association. I'm simply captivated by the colors & patterns of this swordtail species & therefore, my desire to keep them. You can see this fish through this link;

http://www2.chokai.ne.jp/~platy/joyful19/img/1092.jpg

It took him a lot of trouble to get them to me & so, I hope I can keep them well. They are still young but in time, they might show the nice colors as well.

Best regards,
Shi Xuan

[loakita]

If you've been a bit earlier, I could have traded some M.parae melanzona 'red' for your gambusia. I've since given Micropoecilia parae Melanzona up in favor of some Annual killies & a wild swordtail species from a pretty population, Xiphophorus cortezi 'Vinasco'. I got it from a Japanese livebearer breeder, who happens to be from the Japanese livebearer association. I'm simply captivated by the colors & patterns of this swordtail species & therefore, my desire to keep them. You can see this fish through this link;

http://www2.chokai.ne.jp/~platy/joyful19/img/1092.jpg

It took him a lot of trouble to get them to me & so, I hope I can keep them well. They are still young but in time, they might show the nice colors as well.

Best regards,
Shi Xuan

wow nice fish there, good for you , bad for me im late ...do you still own any micropoecilia?, i can wait for next fry batch...and by the way how your experiences with parae, do you succeed to breed them, how long you've keep them last time ? Thanks

[Shi Xuan]

Hi there,

I didn't keep them for long, just enough time for the F1 to mature & start producing fry. The brood size is very small, 5-7 fry after an excruciatingly long gestation period for such a tiny livebearer. The males took 4-5 months to fully mature & start chasing after the females. Prolific buggers but if you want to collect fry, you have to be patient & most importantly, lots of plant covers or you can separate females showing signs of birthing into a separate tank or container.

Alas, I gave them up because I don't have enough tank space to keep them properly & the parae "melanzona" don't show any other varieties besides red, most probably through inbreeding that probably segregated the blue & yellow. If I have to keep them again, I would prefer one that produces varieties, such as melanzona "red", "blue" & "yellow".

A pity, livebearer scene is not very vibrant in Singapore. We don't get to see such livebearers in the fish shops so often. Someone told me you might get to see goodeids or Micropoecilia but they are a rare sight as well. I don't keep Micropoecilia anymore but if you do a forum search, you might be able to find another breeder who might still be keeping M.parae melanzona that Scope brought back from taiwan.

As such, quite a handful of livebearers are not suitable for the climate in Singapore, Giradinichthys multiradiatus, Skiffia sp. & most goodeids because they come from cooler parts of Mexico, the fishes which do best in our tropical climate would be, most of the Xiphophorus, Limia sp. tiger or tridens, poecilia gillii, giradinus, Alfaro cultratus (need a lot of space) & Xenotoca eiseni.

Best regards,
Shi Xuan

[loakita]

Hi there,

I didn't keep them for long, just enough time for the F1 to mature & start producing fry. The brood size is very small, 5-7 fry after an excruciatingly long gestation period for such a tiny livebearer. The males took 4-5 months to fully mature & start chasing after the females. Prolific buggers but if you want to collect fry, you have to be patient & most importantly, lots of plant covers or you can separate females showing signs of birthing into a separate tank or container.

Alas, I gave them up because I don't have enough tank space to keep them properly & the parae "melanzona" don't show any other varieties besides red, most probably through inbreeding that probably segregated the blue & yellow. If I have to keep them again, I would prefer one that produces varieties, such as melanzona "red", "blue" & "yellow".

A pity, livebearer scene is not very vibrant in Singapore. We don't get to see such livebearers in the fish shops so often. Someone told me you might get to see goodeids or Micropoecilia but they are a rare sight as well. I don't keep Micropoecilia anymore but if you do a forum search, you might be able to find another breeder who might still be keeping M.parae melanzona that Scope brought back from taiwan.

As such, quite a handful of livebearers are not suitable for the climate in Singapore, Giradinichthys multiradiatus, Skiffia sp. & most goodeids because they come from cooler parts of Mexico, the fishes which do best in our tropical climate would be, most of the Xiphophorus, Limia sp. tiger or tridens, poecilia gillii, giradinus, Alfaro cultratus (need a lot of space) & Xenotoca eiseni.

Best regards,
Shi Xuan

HI SHI XUAN

hi long time huh..., Shi Xuan, they said that the colour of pictas is determinated by their father,y link genetic... so i think the female is valuable, next time you want to get rid of them you tell me okay, i more then happy to give the assylum
Do you still interested for innes gambusia? this one is rambo, they can survive anything... i shipped them from USA , it take 3 weeks but they survive, if you do please send me an email [email protected]

by the way happy Chinese new year

[stormhawk]

I did spot some Micropoecilia parae, one of the forms at least, at C328 approximately 1 month ago. I did not pick up any but from what I see, it's obvious that someone is still breeding them locally, but in small numbers.

[loakita]

Well for someone outhere, manage to breeding this fish... please share, i wonder why is so hard to keep them alive.

[Shi Xuan]

They are not difficult fish, just a lot of patience to get the females to drop their fry. I wonder sometimes for such a small fish, how many generations can be raised in a year. They are pretty but not as pretty & prolific as killies. I can get dozens of killie fry in a year but it's not applicable for this small fish & that's a reason why I've decided to drop this fish. I will try them again only when I have spare tanks.

Contrary to beliefs that livebearers are easy "bread & butter" fishes, I beg to differ. For example, the Goodeids family produce some fishes that are relatively difficult to maintain in the aquarium. Characodon lateralis & audax both requires cool & clean water & are classical examples of livebearers that proves to be a challenge.

Oddly, I think Frans Vermeulen actually placed the genus Crenichthys in his website when I suppose they should be goodeids...

[stormhawk]

Shi Xuan, did you see the tank full of a Micropoecilia species at C328 when we were there? I think they were M. picta, but all males unfortunately. Price was insanely cheap at 80 cents each.

[Shi Xuan]

Yes, I've noticed that those Micropoecilia picta 'black" have been there for quite a while. C328 used to sell them in pairs, which comes in bags, floating in the chiller tanks near the cash counter. They were expensive at the start, going at $13, if I can remember.

The price has since dropped and it's now 80 cents, like you've said. I guess someone is actively breeding them locally and selling surplus ones, since they can be prolific at times.

There was even once when Micropoecilia parae "tiger" was available at a similar price but no females though. Too bad, locals only take these as cheap feeders, which is nothing to be proud of.

[stormhawk]

If there were females in that tank I would have bought some but too bad only males. They looked sick though.

[Shi Xuan]

I guess C328 will probably sell them in pairs again, once that tank of males is cleared up but it's unlikely anytime soon. Many still mistook them as a variant of guppy or endler, so I'm doubtful they will be purchased readily, being associated as cheap fishes and therefore, not worthy of keeping.

I'm not surprise these fishes ended up sick, after being cramped in such a confined space for so long. Most livebearers are simply not as hardy as it seems.

That said, you made a good decision not buying the bag of feeder green swordtails that day. Some of the fishes look emaciated and it will be catastrophic if any of these ends up in your tank.

[stormhawk]

Way too big for my liking too.

[doppelbanddwarf]

I have a trio of Micropoecilia picta "red". The brood size is small and they seem to eat their fry. Y618 used to sell in packets of 5 pairs each.

[loakita]

hey is some one out there willing to be my middle guy please, i've been crave for this fish !!!

doppelbanddwarf how long you've been keeping the fish? do you manage to keep them breeding and alive ... once i've keep them for three month and breeding F1, but die one by one...sadly

[doppelbanddwarf]

No I do not have Micropoecilia branneri. What I have is Micropoecilia picta "red".

[loakita]

doppelbanddwarf,yes i notice your is picta red ... so how's your story, anything you can share ?