ok i've removed them.. but now the tank is abit bare and wonder what kind of wood would be safe for crs? Is ADA old black wood safe?
Zz...really pro..he just look at your pic he knows whats the likely cause...after reading what he said then realise very possible. Both the item likely leaking something or damaging your water quality. Follow what silane said bro, think he had hit the nail on the head.
Last edited by Quixotic; 6th Nov 2008 at 23:43. Reason: SMS lingo: 'juz'
Maybe you will want to consider getting wire mesh to tie up your moss onto it to decorate your tank first to play safe and not get any wood at the moment. Think theres no safe wood from LFS because you never know whats inside unless you can get it from fellow bros here whos letting go from their shrimps tank.Originally Posted by fishpoo
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yeah i guess i'll be more carefull.. and get the normal driftwoods and soak for longer period 1st.... thanks for the advice everyone
Latest update... the deaths still continue after a week.... did 2 water changes of about 10% and have had 4 casualties so far.... not many left....
Fishpoo !!! Dont give up ! 加油
You are not walking alone. In AQ, there are a lot of experts. Try to Learn, absorb more and read more also most importantly is "PATIENCE". I started this hobby 2 months ago. To me, keeping CRS is a very challenging hobby. I do believed lots of Bro and Sis out there already "give up" this hobby. Why? Can not keep them for long? Not successful in breeding them? seeing the shrimp wipeout slowly? Many many reason though ... but I dont think so they will go and find out why their shrimp's death and cant breed. Even though they go and find out but the most the can do is "oh, 原来如此." There are still lots of successful one. Why? Patience and learning is their key. CONFIRM There is no short cut for this ! So fishpoo, dont give up so easily. Go for it and I think we will find the right path.
如果你问我能活多久？
我只能够告诉你：一吸一呼之间。
Quite expected that deaths on the badly hurted ones will continue as I said before. Shrimps when hurted, is not easy to recover. What you have done will stop them from getting worse but may not make the already hurted better.Latest update... the deaths still continue after a week.... did 2 water changes of about 10% and have had 4 casualties so far.... not many left....
So It is important to do the right things at tank setup, use the right thing from beginning.
silane
yeah hey thanks zach for the encouragement.........
and thanks silane for all the advice..... i just hope not all the crs wipe out before the water condition turns better..... anyway one of the pregnant ones just gave birth today... hopefully they survive to adulthood...
oh and i observed something these few days... i have some horned nerites in my tank as well... and they are burrowing under the soil... not very deep.. just under the surface...
Very much agree with you bro.Fishpoo !!! Dont give up ! 加油
You are not walking alone. In AQ, there are a lot of experts. Try to Learn, absorb more and read more also most importantly is "PATIENCE". I started this hobby 2 months ago. To me, keeping CRS is a very challenging hobby. I do believed lots of Bro and Sis out there already "give up" this hobby. Why? Can not keep them for long? Not successful in breeding them? seeing the shrimp wipeout slowly? Many many reason though ... but I dont think so they will go and find out why their shrimp's death and cant breed. Even though they go and find out but the most the can do is "oh, 原来如此." There are still lots of successful one. Why? Patience and learning is their key. CONFIRM There is no short cut for this ! So fishpoo, dont give up so easily. Go for it and I think we will find the right path.
Patience and learning are the keys to everything. To date, I have many many deaths but I treat this as a learning process.
Fishpoo, do not be dishearthen. If I am you, I will consider my setup again and restart the whole tank. Disinfect everything, and start all over.If you have extra tanks, consider moving all CRS over. If only one tank, what I suggest is take out all your shrimps, use chemical like formalin, potassium permaganate, or even "bleach" which is chlorine to disinfect everything. Kill all good bateria is ok. From there do a 100% water change. Wash all soil/equipments again and fill up the tank. Pour in nitrobateria or any other good bacteria you can find. Cycle few hours and acclimatise shrimps back in. Its ok for shrimps to be back in a whole new setup. Thats what I usually did if I cannot find any wrong in my water parameters. As shrimps do not have good immune system, I do not want to take the risk of them dying in the tank one by one every other day in the old setup where problems are unknown.
This works for me to a certain extend. I still encounter some deaths after acclimatise them back in but those that survive are the ones that usually stronger in nature and will give me good offsprings.
Last edited by Spid; 10th Dec 2008 at 23:52.
oh thanks for the advice spid...... but wouldn't that kill the rest of the shrimp?
seems like a very tough process for the shrimp to go through... just to check those chemicals you are suggesting you can get them from any LFS?
was thinking if all my shrimp die (which 2 just did, only 5 left)... i would probably start all over...
is it ok to just use tap water to "bleach" as it contains chlorine? run it for awhile... then add seachem prime to clean the chlorine.. then add bacteria.. (is mosura bioplus bacteria?) and cycle the tank?
will this process work?
CRS would not just die of no reason if a "clean" setup is provided. I suspect its the pathologens or other organisms in the tank cause this so call death symdrome. I can be very wrong here as Im not a biologist.
Having weak immune system, this shrimp cannot adapt to the attack of this pathologen and may succumb to death. However there is something that Im not very sure of and that is why only one die off at each time and this usually happen when the lights are off. First to go is usually the pregnant female. Well, any bros can share your experience about this?
Erm..formalin will be difficult to get. I do use a formalin bottle(taiwan product) bought from c328 but it does not seems to be very strong for disinfection. You can get PP crystals from pharmacy but this may colored your tank silicon as its very purplish. Best is still bleach. Use a little bit, pour into your tank of no aeration, let it soak for few hrs before neutralise it with seachem prime or you can turn on aeration which will give you a foul smell.
The chlorine in our tap is not strong for disinfection too.
Last edited by Spid; 22nd Nov 2008 at 00:19.
Never create what you can't control
fishpoo, see above as mentioned by Spid. The above are disinfectants that can be used in all areas (not just aquaria) to destroy pathogenic microorganisms. These can be purchased in pharmacies, DIY stores, bleach from supermarkets etc.
Oh i see... however the theory on pregnant females dying off 1st is not very acurrate for my tank...... in fact my pregnant female survived through all the deaths and just gave birth 2 days ago... and it seems that my hinos are stronger than the A grades that i have who are dying off like flies.....
so of the 5 i have left 2 A grades 1 B grade BDS 2 hinos and some shrimplets... hard to keep track of those as they are very tiny...
i am thinking of keeping up 2 water changes per week... and dosing bioplus, old sea mud, and mineral plus after the water changes... and hope that some will survive and stablise then i'll introduce some more shrimps..
if all of them bite the dust... then i will restart the whole tank
will update after next water change
Ok latest update... the female that gave birth has passed away... so sad... it's twice that this has happened... female survives all the way until delivery and dies a few days later....
I think a piece of equipment or a part of the hardware setup has gone wrong..
silane
hmmm.... oh by the way may i know what chillers are the expert breeders out there using to keep crs?
Bro dont give up. I also new into CRS and so far i suffer 1 death out of my 8 SS. Today is day 19. Think the experts chillers all not cheap..haha...i see price of good chiller i faint. Anyway heard for breeding, the temperature exceed more then 1.5 degree difference also can cause shrimplets to die so i monitoring my CL650 temperature before and after kick in. Think keeping them alive not that difficult once you get the hang of it but breeding them will be a challenging task. All the best to you and me bro...Happy shrimping...
TaKe CaRE Of WatER and ThE WaTer TaKe CarE YOuR FAunAs....BuT My FaUnA DO nOt Like To Be TaKen CaRe bY ThE WatEr,,,HOW??
ok another update... after 3 days of peace 1 more A grade dies... hinos and B grade BDS left
Is your chiller old? I have heard from one of LFS uncles mentioned that some of the China brand chillers leak copper after over a year of use. Copper need a separate test kit to test and if undetected can cause shrimps death.
Last edited by Quixotic; 17th Nov 2008 at 12:16. Reason: Remove immediate quote
Yours Truly, Avan
I went into the woods because I wanted to live deliberately. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life... to put to rout all that was not life; and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.
~ Henry David Thoreau
hmmm... my chiller is 3 months old... hailea 130a... anybody out there using hailea and have been breeding crs successfully?... anyway i have this theory after looking at another thread in AQ.. afew hobbyists have been experiencing deaths after water changes.... and come to think of it... my crs die mostly after water changes.... maybe i should try not changing the water so frequently.. i seen threads on people keeping crs tanks in office and just topping up water and breeding... maybe i'll try not changing water this week and update again
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