Eheim Canister Filter Comparison

[Cyberkinetic]

Hi ralliart12,

thanks for the reply.

The set I got has the Eheim Mech and Substratpro media. The prefilter I am looking at is this:
eheim-4004320-vorfilter-3_z4.jpg
I suppose I can find and diy a foam filter around the inlet pipe, but just wondering if this is available, it will save me some effort/time on doing that. Looks nicer too I think.

I can't figure out what do you mean by the rainbar at the bottom of the tank pointing up. You mean put it near the bottom of the tank like an air tube and then aiming the water jets straight up? Meaning instead of an air tube which forms a curtain of air bubbles, I now have a wall of water jets shooting up ? I am assuming the water jets do not break the water surface right? Else it becomes a fountain show. Does this helps with gas exchange?

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My eheim is installation kit number two I combine two sets and made a long grey rain bar very nice but expensive abit
Oring usually one to two years. to test is to see if it is To hard and hard to put back to the basket.it is the basket part that the water will mix. For my priming my 2224 just start no need effort.just need to fill the canister with water.

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@ cyberkinectics bro that will be expensive prefilter I got a DIY version of it if you are interested I can DIY foc for you as I got spare. Watsapp me at 96701405

[polyho]

What is the difference between pro 3 and pro 3e? Which one is better for a 5 ft tank?

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Pro three e you can control water flow with a few touch of button and you can see a filter maintenance meter. Pro three is just a bigger canister filter. Also price quite big difference.

[ralliart12]

Hi ralliart12,

thanks for the reply.

The set I got has the Eheim Mech and Substratpro media...

Yup, we got the same set (I have 2 units of 2224, bought far apart; looks like they have not changed the stock media being offered).

...The prefilter I am looking at is this:
eheim-4004320-vorfilter-3_z4.jpg
I suppose I can find and diy a foam filter around the inlet pipe, but just wondering if this is available, it will save me some effort/time on doing that. Looks nicer too I think. ...

Woah, that is a big pre-filter. & it will take up a lot of space inside your current tank, I suppose. If you intend to have a big pre-filter, why not have it external of the tank?

Foam & stainless steel filter guards are readily available (GC does sell both versions; stainless steel versions can be found at JZX & C328 too), & I believe these filter guards will be way cheaper than the pre-filter above. Of course, you can also cut a flat piece of foam & secure it around your filter inlet too.

I can't figure out what do you mean by the rainbar at the bottom of the tank pointing up. You mean put it near the bottom of the tank like an air tube and then aiming the water jets straight up? Meaning instead of an air tube which forms a curtain of air bubbles, I now have a wall of water jets shooting up ? I am assuming the water jets do not break the water surface right? Else it becomes a fountain show. Does this helps with gas exchange?

Actually to be specific, when I mentioned this, I was talking within the context of maximising gas exchange for the tank water body.

Anyway, yup, you captured roughly what I mean; the only nuance is that the rain bar should not be jetting directly up but rather, its array of holes should be angled approximately diagonally across the length of the tank. This will bring the water at the bottom of the tank rapidly to the water surface for gas exchange.

If you are deploying your 2224 (with media) in a standard 2-footer & not letting the holes face directly up, I doubt the water jets will break the surface.

But I doubt many people do this, because it looks "funny"; hence I only brought it up as maximising air exchange (specifically) was brought up.

My eheim is installation kit number two I combine two sets and made a long grey rain bar very nice but expensive abit...

Sounds lovely, I have a few boxes of Eheim Installation Kits #1 & #2 lying around. I may get the opportunity to play with them yet.

...Oring usually one to two years. to test is to see if it is To hard and hard to put back to the basket...

Oh, I didn't realise you were talking about the larger ones attached to the media basket! I thought you were talking about the small red ones nearer to the integrated double-taps-component! But the larger black ones are also called O-rings?

...it is the basket part that the water will mix...

I still don't get it: what's wrong/bad with letting the incoming water flow mix with the existing water body in the canister?

...For my priming my 2224 just start no need effort.just need to fill the canister with water.

I see; I brought it up as I saw in the 2224 instruction manual that it (installation kits) can be used to perform priming.

[Cyberkinetic]

Hi bro ralliart12,

thanks for answering in such detailed format!

I pretty much decided not to go for the Eheim original internal pre-filter. Will just diy by plugging a round foam piece at the opening of the inlet pipe as I did with my Fluval C3. Bought extras then.

As for the placement of the rainbar, I think I'll just place it near the water surface(but underneath the surface). I saw some similar green rainbar-like pipings at C328, thinking to buy one and do trial of drilling additional holes to spread the water output(pointing in different angles and directions) such that the water circulates more evenly to all parts of my tank. Not so keen to practice drilling on the original pipe. haha... since I'm not even sure I can drill properly. haha

[aquarius]

Actually you can use those Soldering Iron "pen" to make holes instead of drilling.

[Cyberkinetic]

Bro Aquarius,

that's a good idea.. haha.. provided I can get one.. or maybe just heat up a nail and do that. haha..

Either way, think i will play with a oem tube first. haha

Cheers.

[polyho]

May I ask from experience which one has a better flow rate? Eheim 2217 or Eheim 2075?

[aquarius]

Cyberkinetic ~ You can buy them at hardware or DIY shops.

[Cyberkinetic]

Noted. What I meant was I didn't have one and to buy a soldering iron just to poke a couple of holes, not very cost effective.

But thanks anyway.

Cyberkinetic ~ You can buy them at hardware or DIY shops.

[ralliart12]

...I pretty much decided not to go for the Eheim original internal pre-filter. Will just diy by plugging a round foam piece at the opening of the inlet pipe as I did with my Fluval C3. Bought extras then...

If I were to DIY this, I will make the layer of foam as thin as possible, i.e. enough to prevent the chunky bits of debris from entering my filter, but not too much to reduce flow rate by a lot.

...As for the placement of the rainbar, I think I'll just place it near the water surface(but underneath the surface). I saw some similar green rainbar-like pipings at C328, thinking to buy one and do trial of drilling additional holes to spread the water output(pointing in different angles and directions) such that the water circulates more evenly to all parts of my tank. Not so keen to practice drilling on the original pipe. haha... since I'm not even sure I can drill properly. haha

I intend to deploy an Eheim Installation Kit 2 for my outflow. I believe (but can't confirm) that the rainbar portion of Kit 2 is actually 3 separate pieces connected together. Which means the array of holes can actually be aimed at different angles by twisting each piece at the joints. This is in fact, how I intend to create different-angled streams of outflow in my eventual setup.

[Cyberkinetic]

Think I have more time to research as my plan to transit this weekend will be delayed. Fishes are sick(not sure fungus or other types of growth). Anyway have started a separate thread on that.

I think it makes more sense to deploy the new filter only after I get them well again(although my success factor so far is a big fat zero).

Just when I thought things were beginning to stabilize.

If I were to DIY this, I will make the layer of foam as thin as possible, i.e. enough to prevent the chunky bits of debris from entering my filter, but not too much to reduce flow rate by a lot.

I intend to deploy an Eheim Installation Kit 2 for my outflow. I believe (but can't confirm) that the rainbar portion of Kit 2 is actually 3 separate pieces connected together. Which means the array of holes can actually be aimed at different angles by twisting each piece at the joints. This is in fact, how I intend to create different-angled streams of outflow in my eventual setup.

[felix_fx2]

Take them out and put in quarantine tank. Fix there

I saw some plants not doing well. Staurogyne?

[Cyberkinetic]

I tried and failed to net the corys yesterday. Just spent another hour and FINALLY got them! Messed up some plants in the process..

Yeah, staurogyne.. Literally dying left right center now.. Took them all out as well..I suspect the decaying leaves and stalks are polluting my water .. Think will do partial water change again tomorrow.water still slightly murky.

I was checking out a APA brand prefilter at Seaview earlier. Trying to find out if it fits my 2224, but apparently it only fits if the tubing from 2224 is connected without the double taps. End up didn't buy as the guy I spoke to wasn't that helpful. trying to ask if there's any converters of sort.

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What kind of converter you mean ? From bigger to smaller or same size. In Both ways got you just need to look hard. In c328 or Polyart

[Rexxer]

Can I check with you guys on restarting the 2213? I started my tank 3weeks back but came back from overseas trip and got whole tank of hair algae. So I suck out all water and clean the tank(the 2213 is off n left untouch). The tank is left blackout for 2 days. Today I reflooded the tank and on the filter. But there's air bubbles coming from inside the canister. My friend told me to keep shaking the canister to remove the air bubbles. But I realize that no matter how much I shake, there will still be air bubbles coming out.
1) is it ok for air bubbles to keep coming out when I shake the canister?
2) how do I know that theres no air lock inside the canister?
3) how do I know if everything is running ok?

TIA bros

[Cyberkinetic]

The quick release from the APA prefilter is 16mm, although I can use the APA prefilter without the quick release by connecting directly to the prefilter, but that will make maintenance a chore I suppose. There's a lever on the quick release which I think operates like those double taps on the eheims. So I thought of getting those converters which connects a 16mm on one end and 12mm on the other. So the setup will be:
1) Eheim inlet pipe -> 12mm tubing -> converter -> 16mm tubing -> quick release -> input of prefilter.
2) Prefilter outlet -> quick release -> 16mm -> converter -> 12mm tubing -> Eheim outlet pipe

I suppose they will have it in C328 or Polyart... so guess it will be next week after work for another visit there.

What kind of converter you mean ? From bigger to smaller or same size. In Both ways got you just need to look hard. In c328 or Polyart

[Catmarinesg]

Hi I am thinking of getting Eheim canister either 2036 or 2236 for my 2.5 ft tank. It maybe slightly overkill but if I do upgrade I can still use the filter.
Please advise what is the difference between the Ecco n Ecco pro apart from the pre filter in 2036. I thinking Ecco would be better as it has more media volume over the Ecco pro

Thaknks for your comments