Our eggs have arrived

**Felix Wong** · 28th Nov 2003, 12:30

Hi Ronnie
I'm interested in getting Aphyosemion Exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola'. This a very beautiful killifish. If your frys reach adulthood and you wish to sell them away, do let me know. Thanks.

Do you have a picture of Rivulus xiphidius 'PK 15' adult male to show so that I know how it looks like?

Thanks.
Felix

**RonWill** · 28th Nov 2003, 18:22

Originally Posted by Felix Wong

I'm interested in getting Aphyosemion Exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola'. This a very beautiful killifish.

I know :wink:

If your frys reach adulthood and you wish to sell them away, do let me know.

Felix, out of the 19 eggs that arrived, only 6 hatched and out of which, I'm alloting one pair to Au for his effort.

If all things go well and I end up with only 2 pairs (I hope!) of the Exigoideum for myself, these will be my breeders and it's gonna be a while before I can get the next generation going... will you be able to wait??

I don't mean to sound coy but you'd have to remember that there was a time, when thinking killies meant thinking overseas! Locally? Forget it!!

Should there be bountiful 'harvest', rest assured you're the first in queue! :wink:

Do you have a picture of Rivulus xiphidius 'PK 15' adult male to show so that I know how it looks like?

Have you tried this and this?

**Felix Wong** · 1st Dec 2003, 09:35

If all things go well and I end up with only 2 pairs (I hope!) of the Exigoideum for myself, these will be my breeders and it's gonna be a while before I can get the next generation going... will you be able to wait??

Ronnie, yes, I can wait.

Also thanks for the link to pictures of Rivulus xiphidius. Beautiful fishes as well.

Felix

**CM Media** · 1st Dec 2003, 10:17

[quote="RonWill
Felix, out of the 19 eggs that arrived, only 6 hatched and out of which, I'm alloting one pair to Au for his effort.[/quote]

Hi Ronnie,

I'm just joking by asking for a pair each as commission. Don't take it too seriously. 6 fry to start with the species is not easy. I suggest you'll better keep them for yourself and only start to distribute them when you get the second generation going. Just my thought.

**RonWill** · 1st Dec 2003, 11:15

Originally Posted by Au SL

I'm just joking by asking for a pair each as commission. Don't take it too seriously. 6 fry to start with the species is not easy. I suggest you'll better keep them for yourself and only start to distribute them when you get the second generation going. Just my thought.

I wasn't kidding when I said that, but THAT would also depend on whether the sexes are skewed.

Au, I strongly believe in the 'safety net' concept and would like, as much as possible, to spread the load from the start, as I did for the Simp magnificus with Kwek Leong.

If I bummed out with only ONE pair, then it's only logical that the distribution will begin with the next generation. :wink: (so wish me luck!!)

**Eric Yeo** · 1st Dec 2003, 12:28

Out of 5 good eggs of Aphyosemion exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola'. I got 3 fry.
As for my Aphy. striatum 'Lamberene', I got 11 fry .
Eric Yeo

**timebomb** · 1st Dec 2003, 21:21

I wet the peat again just before I left home for the gathering and when I came home, there were another 4 fry. So now I have 13 SJO fry. Whoooppeeeee!!!

Too bad there wasn't anything in the hatching tray holding the Aphyosemion exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola' eggs. But one out of 2 species I bought hatched in good numbers so I'm not complaining.

Loh K L

**RonWill** · 2nd Dec 2003, 14:41

Originally Posted by timebomb

So now I have 13 SJO fry. Whoooppeeeee!!!

Kwek Leong, that's a nice 'harvest' of fry. If there's a big difference in the size of the newly hatched siblings, do transfer them to a tray of their own, as SJOs will predate on anything that will fit their mouths!

Too bad there wasn't anything in the hatching tray holding the Aphyosemion exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola' eggs.

Try a 100% water change in the hatching tray. Sometimes sudden changes stimulates hatching... don't ask me why, but it works for the AUS Chocolate and BIT Lagos.

In my case, 3 fry hatched on day one and nothing else after that. Transferred the fry to a grow-out tank and did the water change.

The next morning, there were 3 more. Transferred the fry again.

The day after, changed 100% again and the last one hatched. Total fry count for the exigoideum now stands at 7 precious little fry. There hasn't been any new fry since then and I'll leave the tray alone for 2 more weeks before I recycle the peat.

Out of the 3 forumers who had ordered the exigoideum, there is a pool count of 10 fry... not many... but half a loaf is better than none.

Eric, the exigoideum is not established locally, so do put in extra care to raise your 3 surviving fry.

KK · 3rd Dec 2003, 00:17

Aphy. christyi 'Kinshasa' - 15 babies

Aphy. bivittatum 'Funge CI 91 - 5 babies in total

Aphy. bivittatum eggs are about twice the size of the Aphy. christyi eggs.
THey hatched about 3 days earlier & are now 4 times the size of the Aphy. christyi frys.

Feeding both spawn BBS but i never see them actually eating.
????

**Eric Yeo** · 3rd Dec 2003, 13:26

3 surviving fry, one seem not growing or not eating. Ron, if I don’t have a pair in my fry do you think you can sell me either a male or a female for my breeding or I might have to pass them all to you to breed, in order to save this species in Singapore. I like the way you think, SAFETY NET.

Eric Yeo

**RonWill** · 3rd Dec 2003, 15:32

Originally Posted by Eric Yeo

3 surviving fry, one seem not growing or not eating. Ron, if I don’t have a pair in my fry do you think you can sell me either a male or a female for my breeding or I might have to pass them all to you to breed, in order to save this species in Singapore. I like the way you think, SAFETY NET.

Eric Yeo

Eric,

I really and truly dread Murphy's Law, especially when I'm not expecting it but let's just imagine a few scenarios...

Of the 3 surviving fry, 1 don't make it and you end up with 2, which grows up to be the same sex! Bummer!

Another real scenario... 3 fry make it to adulthood. You end up with a trio of 1M/2F. WOW!!! You're real lucky!... only to own a less than potent male... and that's how some killie-keepers sport a bald patch!

Yup, it's one of those 'been there, done that' sorta thing, which is why I wished more people could have joined us in the egg order. It doesn't thrill me to know that I have the ONLY pair locally!

Had people with commercial interest, ordered these eggs as well, it would have been a step in the right direction; that they're now go through the full 'killie-experience' (both good and bad) and I would HAVE enough faith to buy directly from them... the real McCoys, complete with population codes to boot!!

I won't be counting my chicks too soon... but I pray that if all things go well, I'll spread breeding pairs around ASAP!... albeit only to those whom I know are competent breeders.

No offence Eric, and please don't misconstrue my intentions, but not knowing your fish-keeping background kinda make it difficult for me to entrust something so special. But whichever way it turns out, TALK TO ME and I'm sure we can work together, and think SAFETY NET!... that way, we ALL benefit!

**Eric Yeo** · 3rd Dec 2003, 17:59

Ron, no offence at all, in the meantime let take care of our fry and talk later when they are big.

Eric Yeo

**RonWill** · 19th Dec 2003, 22:31

Hi all,

A quick recap... most of us collected our eggs on 20th Nov and yes, time zips by real quick and one month has gone by.

Can I have an update on the surviving frys? Lily and Rong Sheng, I don't recall hearing anything from you... yoohoo... you guys still there?

Here's the original list again. Just update your figures besides the species.

Ronwill
Rivulus xiphidius 'PK 15' --- 8 frys
Aphy. exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola' --- 6 frys
Terranatos dolichopterus 'V96/7' --- NOT WETTED YET

Lily
Riv. cylindraceus (Al Castro strain)
Fp filamentosus 'Ikeja'

Timebomb
Fp. sjoestedti
Aphy. exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola'

Gan
Aphy. striatum 'Lamberene'

Kah Kheng
Aphy. christyi 'Kinshasa'
Aphy. bivittatum 'Funge CI 91'(?)

A. Rashid
Fp. sjoestedti 'Dwarf Red'
Notho. palmqvisti 'Ramisi' KE 01-11 --- NOT WETTED YET

Zul
Aphy cognatum 'kinsuka' F1
Fp filamentosus 'Ikeja'

Jesper (Rong Sheng)
Aphy. Australe 'BSWG 97/24'
Riv. cylindraceus (Al Castro strain)

Eric Yeo
Aphy. exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola'
Aphy. striatum 'Lamberene'

**timebomb** · 19th Dec 2003, 23:29

Ronnie,

I have 19 Fp. sjoestedti (VAKA) fry and they are eating well and growing fast. I just transferred them into a 2 feet tank.

Loh K L

**RonWill** · 19th Dec 2003, 23:39

Originally Posted by timebomb

I have 19 Fp. sjoestedti (VAKA) fry and they are eating well and growing fast.

That's great news! How big are those fellas now?

What about the Aphy. exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola' ?

**timebomb** · 19th Dec 2003, 23:43

Originally Posted by RonWill

That's great news! How big are those fellas now?

They are about 1 cm in size now. Too small to sex them but I think I will know in another week or two if I have a good ratio of males to females.

What about the Aphy. exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola' ?

Nothing from the Aphy. exigoideum eggs, I'm afraid.

Loh K L[/quote]

**imported_lily** · 20th Dec 2003, 17:18

Originally Posted by RonWill

Can I have an update on the surviving frys? Lily and Rong Sheng, I don't recall hearing anything from you... yoohoo... you guys still there?

Hi all,

Sorry was very busy lately. Here's what I got;

Riv. cylindraceus (Al Castro strain) - 6 fry
Fp filamentosus 'Ikeja' - 1st hatch 5 fry - all dead

- 2nd hatch 1 fry - still swimming

Will update you all again...

**R^13^S** · 21st Jan 2004, 02:13

Sorry for the slow update.
Do not quite have a good hatching rate.

Aphy. Australe 'BSWG 97/24' -3 fry 1 dead
Riv. cylindraceus (Al Castro strain) - 5 fry

Will be updating again.
Regards

**Eric Yeo** · 22nd Jan 2004, 22:36

Ronnie, here is the update:
Bad news for my precious 2 Aphy. exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola', last Thursday night I found them missing, they had jumped out of the tank, size about 2cm.

For my 10 Aphy. striatum 'Lamberene', the smallest is 1.8cm and the biggest is about 3cm with some colour on their body.

Eric Yeo

**RonWill** · 5th Feb 2004, 22:09

Originally Posted by Eric Yeo

Ronnie, here is the update:
Bad news for my precious 2 Aphy. exigoideum 'Ngoudoufola', last Thursday night I found them missing, they had jumped out of the tank, size about 2cm.

Thanks Eric, for the update. I too realized that the exigoideum are excellent jumpers! In my grow-out tanks, water level was a good 4 inches from the tank's upper rim and if not for a glass cover, I would have lost them too! YES!, even young fishes can jump!

Of the 6 that hatched, it appears that I might have 3 pairs. At 3cm, these buggers have good appetites albeit coloring up very slowly.

I've decided that one pair will go to Sia Meng (once I've confirmed that it's indeed 3 pairs) and he'd have to share my load! Au, if you still have empty tanks and willing, are you game? If not, I'll have to find another experienced breeder to form my safety net.

For the Rivulus xiphidius, 6 out of 8 survivors ain't too bad but their slow growth is killing me

and I thought that BIT Lagos were slow!!! At sizes ranging 1~1.5cm, they're competing for their share of food with the Lagos. Perhaps I'll move the Lagos fry out and either replace with peaceful young Pseudomugil gertrudae, or let the xiphidius have their own space.

Premature wetting of the Terranatos dolichopterus eggs was a bbaaaadd mistake! I ended up with 4 frys, 3 of which are belly sliders!

Fortunately, I've a second bag which isn't due until Feb 20th, and believe me, I'm crossing my fingers (and toes!!).

For my 10 Aphy. striatum 'Lamberene', the smallest is 1.8cm and the biggest is about 3cm with some colour on their body.

Raise them well and spawn them when you can. I'd suggest putting in a spawning mop now and checking it occasionally. Even if there's no eggs, at least the females get to hide in it... sooner or later, they'll get the idea what the mop is for!

Oh... and did I mention that I'm looking forward to swapping my fry for yours! (yes... we must remain optimistic) :wink: