Fry ID: Clown or Australe?

[Angelan]

Hi guys,

I unknowingly discovered a small clutch of killi fries.

Actually i didn't spawn them intensionally, but i think they just spawn in the basket of java moss which is allowed to float in my main community tank. The tank contain 2 pairs of clown killi, 3 male Australe orange, 1 female Australe orange, several different types of cories, 2 sparkling gourami and some wild guppies.

i took out the java moss and left it in a container. two days later, i found fries swimming in it~!

But someting stumped me. among the fries, there's this tiny fry swimming among them. it is half the size smaller then a known australe orange fry.

so is it possible that it's a clown killi fry?

i sent the pictures to Mr Loh (Timebomb) to beposted here for comparison. (Thanks Mr Loh)

By the way, Clown killi spawn on mops or peat?


Thanks for helping

Angel

[RonWill]

But someting stumped me. among the fries, there's this tiny fry swimming among them. it is half the size smaller then a known australe orange fry.

By the way, Clown killi spawn on mops or peat?

Angelin, compare your little fella with the pics in this thread and if it matches, it's a baby clown!

When view from above, clown killies have 'headlights', ie. a reflective spot on top of the head, just behind the eyes.

Clown killies usually spawn in and around moss (the pics in this thread, show ANNs making whoopie!)

[Angelan]

Angelin, compare your little fella with the pics in this thread and if it matches, it's a baby clown!

When view from above, clown killies have 'headlights', ie. a reflective spot on top of the head, just behind the eyes.

Clown killies usually spawn in and around moss (the pics in this thread, show ANNs making whoopie!)

they do look like it... but no bands on the body... so still a bit unsure...
but they should be way way smaller then Australe right?

[Angelan]

Here's the link to the pictures


http://www.arofanatics.com/members/s...on/killifries/

Hope this helps.

manage to finally figure out the uploading of pictures.

Australe orange fry


unknown fry

Angel

[stormhawk]

angelin, i keep getting an error msg when trying to view ur pics. do check the image links.

[Angelan]

picture cannot upload.. no choice but have to use another gallery. somehow i cannot use geocities to link to here....

[stormhawk]

angelin, viewed your gallery on Aro, can't make out the ID of the fry. doesn't seem like Ronnie's ANN fry. it could be a possible late developer among the australe fry. only time will tell. let it grow a bit bigger and then u can attempt to put an ID on the fry. pretty small to be sure of any ID. by the way, u weren't at the gathering?

[CM Media]

It looks more like a australe fry to me. usually, for clown killie's fry, they will carry the trademark (Strips) when born. At a glance, thay look black with a white head if i do remember correctly. As what Ronwill mention the 'headlight' is very distinct.

[RonWill]

It looks more like a australe fry to me. usually, for clown killie's fry, they will carry the trademark (Strips) when born.

Ok... I finally managed to see the pic. It is an ANN fry, albeit very very young, probably 1~2mm! The stripes will develope from about 3mm. Angeline, you owe me a cup of coffee! :wink:

[CM Media]

Oh no I've make a big mistake! It should be the first picture not second picture. The first picture is a Clown killie fry for sure!
I've not being sleeping well for the past 3 nights as both my kids are really sick

[Angelan]

angelin, viewed your gallery on Aro, can't make out the ID of the fry. doesn't seem like Ronnie's ANN fry. it could be a possible late developer among the australe fry. only time will tell. let it grow a bit bigger and then u can attempt to put an ID on the fry. pretty small to be sure of any ID. by the way, u weren't at the gathering?

Nope, i couldn'd attend the gathering. but... I REALLY MISSED OUT A LOT~!~! saw the picture of the killies during the gathering. So beautiful especially the australe gold and chocolate.

I'll be sure to watch out for the next gathering and drag Charles along... heh heh...

Angel

Ok... I finally managed to see the pic. It is an ANN fry, albeit very very young, probably 1~2mm! The stripes will develope from about 3mm. Angeline, you owe me a cup of coffee! :wink:

Yeah~! :P :P It's sure lightens up my day~! and the coffee... SuRe~! heh heh... ^_^ must really thank u and Au SL.

Angel

It looks more like a australe fry to me. usually, for clown killie's fry, they will carry the trademark (Strips) when born. At a glance, thay look black with a white head if i do remember correctly. As what Ronwill mention the 'headlight' is very distinct.

Oh no I've make a big mistake! It should be the first picture not second picture. The first picture is a Clown killie fry for sure!
I've not being sleeping well for the past 3 nights as both my kids are really sick

Thanks for helping me, the new arrivals is a real perk me up~! ^_^

Geez.... recently a lot of people is coming down with flu and wheezing cough due to the rainy season i think. Wish that you kids get well soon, do take care of yourself too.

Angel
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Heh heh... here comes more questions....

1) the headlight u guys mention refer's to the u-shaped pattern?
2) The spawning method for ANN is similiar to Australe orange? or need certain modifications to the method?
3) ANN related to Australes? Annual or non-Annual? thus what is the expected life span?

Hope this is not too much questions... I'm just booming with it in my head. =P i'm still very new to killi, thus not very experience yet.

Thanks a lot~!

Angel

[CM Media]

Heh heh... here comes more questions....

1) the headlight u guys mention refer's to the u-shaped pattern?
2) The spawning method for ANN is similiar to Australe orange? or need certain modifications to the method?
3) ANN related to Australes? Annual or non-Annual? thus what is the expected life span?

Anw to your question.

1) It's actually a very clear silver spot on the top of the fish.
2)the ANN prefer to spawn on floating mop and better still floating raccia or java moss.
3) ANN belongs to the Epiplatys group known as Epiplatys annulatus. They are non-annuals. As for their lifespan, I'm not sure how long they can survive.

[Angelan]

Anw to your question.

1) It's actually a very clear silver spot on the top of the fish.
2)the ANN prefer to spawn on floating mop and better still floating raccia or java moss.
3) ANN belongs to the Epiplatys group known as Epiplatys annulatus. They are non-annuals. As for their lifespan, I'm not sure how long they can survive.

Thanks Au SL. anywhere i can get a few more ANN? one of my male died for no apparent reason... are all Epiplatys so small?

also

i finally manage to really link up the pictures to the post so everyone can iew without much trouble. Hope this time it works.

Angel

[stormhawk]

i think Clementi still has a few. i last saw them last week when i was there buying things for my corys. going down to Clementi now to get some supplies. will update if i see any ANN.

[stormhawk]

just a reminder, your pics hosted on Geocities will be taken off once the download limit has been reached. i'd suggest u move your pics to a photo site where bandwidth download are not limited.

here's one - www.instantlogic.com i keep most of my fish pics on this site. u gotta register for a personal gallery though. and do back up your pics on a CD or somewhere just in case something happens to the site or to your PC.

[RonWill]

Nope, i couldn'd attend the gathering. but... I REALLY MISSED OUT A LOT

Angelin, so make sure you can join us next time.

1) the headlight u guys mention refer's to the u-shaped pattern?

Actually, it's more like the headlight of the Mercedes S Class! Nah... just kiddin'

It doesn't shine per se, but rather reflect. As said earlier, it's on the top of the head, behind the eyes, where the flip-open lid is located and the AA batteries goes in

2) The spawning method for ANN is similiar to Australe orange? or need certain modifications to the method?

What works for plant spawners will make do for the ANNs but they'll prefer floating plants, spawning mops and moss that's nearer to the surface.

3) ANN related to Australes? Annual or non-Annual? thus what is the expected life span?

Non-annual. Some confusion over which genus classification it's now under; either Epiplatys or Pseudepiplatys... but let's have the ichthyologists worry over it!

Life span? Hopefully more than the 2 weeks they spent in my tank but at least they left 2 frys for me :wink: