Boraras from Bangkok

[timebomb]

Teck Song,

If you want to keep Boraras healthy, you have to feed them with baby brine shrimp or Daphnia. The former is safer as it won't bring disease to the tanks.
If you feed with tubifex worms, some of the smaller ones may not get enough food and die from malnutrition.

By the way, guys, I'll be trading almost all my Boraras sp with Eco-culture. I probably bring the fish there this weekend, if I can find the time. Have to make space for new Killie arrivals.

Loh K L

[hwchoy]

By the way, guys, I'll be trading almost all my Boraras sp with Eco-culture. I probably bring the fish there this weekend, if I can find the time. Have to make space for new Killie arrivals.
Loh K L

Aren't you going to let your ardent supporters here (me excluded since I already skimmed ten of them from you, hee hee) have first right of refusal huh?

[timebomb]

Aren't you going to let your ardent supporters here have first right of refusal huh?

Huh?? First right of refusal

Hey, this is supposed to be a Killifish forum so I would imagine the members here are less interested in Boraras. In any case, the reason I let everyone know that the fish will be at Eco-Culture this weekend is so you can rush down and buy the fish from them if you are really interested.

But seriously, although I don't mind giving my fish to fellow hobbyists, I rather give the fish to my favourite fish shops sometimes. Eco-culture has always been very supportive of this forum and I like to show them my appreciation by letting them have this special Boraras in their tanks. They already have 10, given to them by Sia Meng. But when I give them mine, they will have a shoal of a 100 at least. There are quite a few serious hobbyists who like to hang out at Eco-Culture and it would be good if they get to see this fish too.

Loh K L

[TS168]

Teck Song,

If you want to keep Boraras healthy, you have to feed them with baby brine shrimp or Daphnia. The former is safer as it won't bring disease to the tanks.
If you feed with tubifex worms, some of the smaller ones may not get enough food and die from malnutrition.

By the way, guys, I'll be trading almost all my Boraras sp with Eco-culture. I probably bring the fish there this weekend, if I can find the time. Have to make space for new Killie arrivals.

Loh K L

Thanks Mr Loh,

May i know which type of boraras that you are giving to eco-culture?

[hwchoy]

Thanks Mr Loh,

May i know which type of boraras that you are giving to eco-culture?

…the horse with no name…

[MrTree]

I agree with you.

Actually, sometimes I wonder why I should immersed in the "scientific" things
far from the vulgar everyday world, "fish-keeping"

Yes, some of them regarded as a carelessness amature,
but IMHO, they are just a serious aquarists, like us.

p.s.
If you have an intrest about this subject, here is an another link written
in japanese language. You can translate it anyway, with the Babel fish or something else.

I think the comon names they assign, is far better than many Chinese naming.

For example(from the last link in your earlier post):
Japanese actual pronunciation
ボララス.ブリギッタエ = bo-ra-ra-su.bu-ri-gi-ta-e (Boraras brigittae)
ラスボラ.アインソベニー = ra-su-bo-ra.a-in-so-be-ni- (R.einthovenii)
アクセルロディ(レッド) = a-ku-se-ru-ro-di (reddo) (S. axelordi"Red")
ラスボラ.アギリス = ra-su-bo-ra.a-gi-ri-su (R. agilis)

Somehow we can tell they are trying to write the scientific name with japanese characters. In this hobby, the rest of the Asian countries are still far behind the Japanese.

Urano Takashi-shi, he pointed out lots of mistakes and misleading informaition of Corydras spp from scientific point of view. He would take some time to answer every question seriously. I enjoy reading his writting. He ahs lots of enemies but I supports him! I was pretty disappointed when the forum section was closed.

Cheers,

[hwchoy]

we should not confuse the general hobby common name in local languages vs scientific names written in local languages. I cannot speak for the Japanese, but in the Chinese scientific circles, there are equivalent (roughly) mandarin nouns for latin taxonomic terms. For example

目 = Order
科 = Family
亚 = "sub" prefix
hence:
亚科 = sub-Family

some real examples

七鳃鳗目 = Petromyzontiformes
七鳃鳗科 = Petromyzontidae

also the "common names" are created based on the etymology of the scientific name:

稀有鮈鲫 = Gobiocypris rarus
黑尾近红鮊 = Ancherythroculter nigrocauda

The Chinese have a long and well structured scientific history. They adapt the western scientific terms into semantically correct Mandarin terms (mostly) rather than meaningless phonetic translation. It is much more difficult to do so (semantic translation) and harder to learn for people with poor command of Mandarin. I think for the scientific names (genus level) they simply use latin names. I have a cryptocoryne paper somewhere with the abstract in both English and Mandarin, will go and check it out see how it is done.

Do you know if it is the same for the Japanese?

[felixe]

I'm afraid I interfered with this thread subject about Boraras.
First of all, I am sorry for giving you trouble...


Hi, MrTree. Nice to meet you.

I'm not so good at japanese but also english . But I think that, that's
just a pronunciation problem not a misunderstanding of scientific names.
I heard that the Latins pronunciation have been an old headach for a long time
between the american and europian aquarists too.

As for my humble guess, the pronunciation of Latins in japanese is beyond their knowledge-base,
what is the main source and where they get the information about the fish or water plants.
The aquarist who are familiar with American uses american-style-Latin-pronunciation,
and the person who are familiar with Europians uses europian style.
(btw, the Roman Catholics use their own Latin prounciation... )
For example, 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , ...

well..., to make a scientific names written in local languages(so called, native scientific names) is
somewhat different from the matter how to prounce it...

hwchoy,

Our Korean biologist also have the korean native scientific names just like
the mandarin names you wrote. Japanese also have that kind of names.
In fact, Korean's scientific history of biology is very related to Japanese, at lease in taxonomy.

Japanese and Korean also use Chinese-characters in their language as usual even in their
personal names though their characters are somewhat changed and modified.

[hwchoy]

hey felixe, I am pleased to meet another hobbyist (unless you're a biologist!) who knows that the americans and europeans pronounce their latin names differently.

In fact this is the reason why the Chinese (and perhaps the Korean and Japanese too) scientific names are so impressive, because you need to understand the origin of the latin name in order to translate, rather then just pronouncing the syllables.

I understand that the european way is more "correct" but that would even be beyond a lot of scientist that are not specialist in the particular subject. For the other guys in the forum, "european" way of pronouncing scientific name is by the "root" whereas in the US it is acceptable to pronounce the syllables.

[francis]

For the other guys in the forum, "european" way of pronouncing scientific name is by the "root" whereas in the US it is acceptable to pronounce the syllables.

Choy,Care to elaborate further on this .Thank.

[hwchoy]

Choy,Care to elaborate further on this .Thank.

I'll try and find that article which gave examples.

[MrTree]

Hi, felixe
Nice to meet you too.

Choy, I am talking about hobby level. Many of the Chinese name are originated from the 2300 species picture book published by a Taiwanese publisher. The book is originally written in Japanese.

By looking at the comon names in in the book or Chinese forums, I can't really tell which species they are talking about. However, when I read Japanese, from book or internet, for example: bo-ra-ra-su.bu-ri-gi-ta-e, I can tell they are talking about Boraras brigittae.

that's what i was refering "far better"

[hwchoy]

MrTree, that is very true. Even if I read the Chinese scientific name for Boraras brigittae I wouldn't recognise it either should translate to something like 碧氏小小鱼 hee hee :wink:

[felixe]

hwchoy, nice to meet you too.

I understand that the european way is more "correct" but that would even be beyond a lot of scientist that are not specialist in the particular subject. For the other guys in the forum, "european" way of pronouncing scientific name is by the "root" whereas in the US it is acceptable to pronounce the syllables.

Yes, I use "european" for myself, but when I point a finger at the fish
or waterplants to the other korean aquarists, I always use their common
name(pronunciation) which are mixed up with american + european +
japanese + korean prounciation, not to lead them to confusion...

(Once, I majored in animal science at the university, but now,
I'm just an another unnecessarily-serious-aquarium-nut. :wink: )

[hwchoy]

great! an animal scientist now we can ask you for some clarifications (when it arise, you can relax for now)

BTW, I didn't catch your name, but welcome anyway.
And I'm going to ask this question, even though it is OT but I know the site owner himself would want to know: is that you in your avatar? :wink:

[hwchoy]

Choy,Care to elaborate further on this .Thank.

I'll try and find that article which gave examples.

Francis, before I find the reference I had in mind you can check out felixe's second post, the examples: 1, 2, 3 and 4.

[felixe]

great! an animal scientist now we can ask you for some clarifications (when it arise, you can relax for now)

No way, not even dream about it
I was the one of notorious lazybones of the class.

BTW, I didn't catch your name, but welcome anyway.
And I'm going to ask this question, even though it is OT but I know the site owner himself would want to know: is that you in your avatar? :wink:

Ah.. sorry. I've almost forgot to edit my profile... Now you can see my real names.

She is a girl that I dreamed of... (Please do not tell this story to my wife. )
I met by chance to see her face on the web, but I don't know about her even her name.

[RonWill]

Ah.. sorry. I've almost forgot to edit my profile... Now you can see my real names.

Welcome to the forum, Kim. I was about to remind you for an updated profile :wink:

I visited the KCC you mentioned in the other thread but I'm afraid I don't understand the curly-wurly writing of the Korean Language... is there an English translated page?

I met by chance to see her face on the web, but I don't know about her even her name.

What you said reminded me of my first encounter with the killifish... "met her (the killie) at the Aquarama show, but I don't know anything about it, not even her name" :wink:

[Green Baron]

By the way, guys, I'll be trading almost all my Boraras sp with Eco-culture. I probably bring the fish there this weekend, if I can find the time. Have to make space for new Killie arrivals.

Loh K L

Just read this today ! Anybody know if they are still available ?

[MrTree]

Just read this today ! Anybody know if they are still available ?

They were still in the tank yesterday afternoon.