Group Order?? - Epiplatys (Pseudepiplatys) annulatus

[PohSan]

Sia Meng wrote:

It should be Aphyosemion striatum.

Thanks for helping to ID the fish. It will be my next target fish. However, I have run out of tank space. I am wondering if I can tranfer my annualatus to my planted tank which keeps a pair of round body ram, 4 blue eyes and yamato and cherry shrimps. I will transfer them to breeding tank when they are ready.

however if it is corrupted or rather a hybrid, I will not consider them

May I know what do you meant by corrupted?

Finally, one of the female Nothobranchius flammicomantus kisaki dead on the second day. I think I should start to breed them ASAP. BTW, do anyone has any experience on how to breed them? Is it okay to introduce two males to one female ( reverse trio) into the breeding tanks or I sticks to one to one?

Thanks

Regards,
Ong Poh San

[RonWill]

Poh San, you're not alone... we all run out of tank space and new fishes are coming in! <gulp!>

I am wondering if I can tranfer my annualatus to my planted tank which keeps a pair of round body ram, 4 blue eyes and yamato and cherry shrimps. I will transfer them to breeding tank when they are ready.

Correct spelling is annulatus. The ANNs should do fine since they are mostly surface dwellers, while blue eyes at mid and rams are mostly mid to bottom. Concentrate on keeping 'em fishes alive first, condition second and lastly, when they are ready, breed.

May I know what do you meant by corrupted?

In killie context, when a population is corrupted, it can mean 2 things;

Firstly, when 2 populations of the same species interbreed, which means neither can no longer carry their respective population code. A mixup between females from Ap BIT 'Lagos' and Ap BIT 'Benin City' would be just that.

Secondly, when a typo in population name or collection code is perpetuated, which is the lesser evil.

Hybridization cannot be considered 'corrupted'. When 2 different species of aphyosemion interbreed, it cannot retain it's species definition. An example would be an intermarriage between Ap bivittatum male with a Ap bitaeniatum female. It's offsprings cannot be a BIT or BIV... it's a hybrid, period. Our 'beloved' FlowerHorn or LouHan is one fine example... a bit of this, a bit of that... (remember Frankenstein?)

Finally, one of the female Nothobranchius flammicomantus kisaki dead on the second day.

When I used to maintain Nothos, I would quarantine the pair together with a peat-filled bowl, if they want to spawn and in case I lose either sex, there's some hope in the bowl.

Go through the main site for guidelines on breeding Nothos.

Likewise for non-annuals or plant-spawners, the quarantine tank will be filled with java moss. I will 'detain' the moss for about a month, in case of hidden eggs, before I recycle it to the next tank.

Is it okay to introduce two males to one female ( reverse trio) into the breeding tanks or I sticks to one to one?

Reverse trio will work if the males are not too aggressive. Fending off potential competitors distract the dominant male from doing it's job.

For notho, a pair would be a better choice. YMMV.

[CM Media]

Is it okay to introduce two males to one female ( reverse trio) into the breeding tanks or I sticks to one to one?

Take out one of the male as they are quite aggressive towards each other.
I've 2 pair breeding in the same tank and 1 male was found dead on the second day. The dominant male had attacked and inflict serious injury.to the other male.

Start breeding them as the Nothobranchius flammicomantus Kisaki you bought are fully grown adults. This is not a easy fish to breed so be extra careful.

Setup the breeding tank bare with just a low plastic bowl with peat. If you could recall the tank where you got your Nothobranchius flammicomantus Kisaki, in it is a shallow small little plastic white bowl. Use that as your breeding bowl and the fish will not miss it. :wink:

Good luck to your breeding programme. Let me know if you manage to collect eggs and we can work together on the particular Notho.

[PohSan]

Au wrote:

Start breeding them as the Nothobranchius flammicomantus Kisaki you bought are fully grown adults.

Thanks Au, I have already setup a breeding tank in the morning. I will introduce the pair in the evening. You are right that the male is quite aggressive to each other. I noticed that the dominant male shows a beautiful red on the body while the other male is paler.

Regards,
Ong Poh San

[francis]

I found this pic while surfing the web.It look very nice.Would love to get my hands on these
Are they the same species?

http://www.petfrd.com/pp/showphoto.php?photo=1915

[RonWill]

http://www.petfrd.com/pp/showphoto.php?photo=1915

Francis, I think that's what few of us are hoping. The ANN in the link is a very mature male. Note the color band that begins in the peduncle (base of the tail), along the middle of the caudal (tail fin) and extends all the way to the end.

That band is red... similar to the pricier ANN-E we ordered in.

Then again, let's not forget that ours are still very young.


The linked ANN belongs to the same species, in that both are annulatus, but question is, which strain/population?

[cheeboonyong]

Just went down to FnF today. Saw lots of clown killies, however, the colouration on the tails are definitely not as strong as the pic shown by Choy.

Do the colouration on the killies differ because of different locality or it's because the fish is not yet mature? The clown killies I saw were pretty small, maybe 1cm in length at most. Is that a mature specimen?

Please pardon me if my questions appear to be basic, since I really know very little about killies...

[hwchoy]

Boon Yong I think you referring to Benny's pic. :wink:

[RonWill]

Boon Yong,
Generally, most fishes in holding tanks or new additions in display tanks, are stressed and adapting to their new environments, so colors are usually less intense. Young juvenile killies exhibit paler colors, as does most other fishes.

When fishes are comfortable with their surroundings, some colors can still be observed, even with 1cm ANNs. Take a look at Lily's juvenile ANN pics in this thread. Although not quite in the same league as those pics taken by Benny, one can get the general idea.

As for color variation, it can happen within the same population or fishes from the same brood, so it's logical to presume color variations from different locations, however minor. FWIW, the best colors can be observed when males vie for dominance or the female's attention... a real joy to watch!

1cm ANNs are still very young and the mature size of male ANN can reach 3.5cm. Tim Addis has a very informative page dedicated to the Pseudepiplatys annulatus... a mini reference for anyone who loves ANN.

Please pardon me if my questions appear to be basic, since I really know very little about killies...

We're all here to learn and share, so no question is too basic. Shoot away if you have further doubts. That said, it's always appreciated when newbies do their share of research before asking.

[cheeboonyong]

Thanks for sharing! I will be reading up more on the ANN, you can be sure of that, now that my interest is stirred up!

And my apologies for crediting the excellent photo to the wrong person