Group Order?? - Epiplatys (Pseudepiplatys) annulatus

[RonWill]

Dear all,

This is a spin-off from the "Breeding the Epiplatys (Pseudepiplatys) annulatus" thread and it was losing relevance. Continue adding to that only if it's topic related, ya?

In that last recorded entry, Francis said, and I agree...

I was there at F N F yesterday`s afternoon.Those pre order ANNs are damn nice man.Can`t take my eyes off them

Francis, yeah... they're beautiful aren't they?!! It's markedly different from the Asian sourced ANNs and even though they're somewhat dearer, personally, it's worth thinning down the wallet! (which explains why I'm pretty broke these days... )

Ok folks, for those who went and for those who intended to go this weekend, I know the current situation is going to cause a little concern or maybe even some negative feeling, in that those who didn't return home with it will feel disappointed (believe me, I can relate to that feeling).

However, let it be known that there was a 'catch' with that shipment of PO ANNs... the one who ordered them will have to absorb the casualties as well!... no but's, no if's... and I'm not sure how anybody else would have taken it.

The other thing was that there wasn't any assurance of female ANNs. We're are at the hands of "real professional people" here (sad to say), especially when I was looking forward to breeding them too!

Let's see how this weekend turns out and if there's still a demand for them, albeit pricey, I suppose we can all chip in and get something done about it. Suggestions?

Please do not take this as a recommendation, endorsement of any kind nor am I affiliated in any way (sheesh... I still haven't figured out how to get to the 'forsaken place'!!).

It's just a proposal to keep everyone happy, that's all.

[gweesm1]

Ronnie

Hmm, I guess it will be better if you can shoot a photograph of the handsome ANN.

Guys,
Au and I tagged in the order with the other fish so there isn’t and minimum order for ANN. As F&F is ordering only ANN for specially for us (without other order) this time round, a minimum order of 150 pcs is required. If not mistaken, it is tagged at $5.00 per pcs. But of course if you find it too expensive, make do with the Indo ANN.

Regards,

[hwchoy]

I'm confused Ronnie and SM. Do you mean the good-looking ANN is already in, or coming in this weekend?

This minimum 150pcs is that the minimum order you're trying to collect or do you mean they are already ordered and anyone can walk-in and buy it for $5?

[RonWill]

I guess it will be better if you can shoot a photograph of the handsome ANN.

I've cleaned up the photo tank and will be shooting both line of the ANNs, if not today, then tomorrow. I know there are many eager eyes awaiting to feast on the pics and hope to upload it by Monday afternoon.

I'm confused Ronnie and SM. Do you mean the good-looking ANN is already in, or coming in this weekend?

Choy,
It seems that the shipment arrived earlier than was expected and yes, I have both the Asian and European-sourced ANNs swimming in my tank.

For the sake of clarity, or not to confuse anyone further, I shall nickname them as follows;
ANN-A = Asian-sourced annulatus
ANN-E = European-sourced annulatus

This minimum 150pcs is that the minimum order you're trying to collect or do you mean they are already ordered and anyone can walk-in and buy it for $5?

As Sia Meng has tried to explain, F&F had an existing order that already met the minimal order amount, dollar-wise. Our ANN-E was an add-on, hence not subjected to that minimal order requirement.

If there's interest amongst us here in the forum and if it was an special indent order, not add-on, then we would need to fulfill the min. $ amount which roughly works out to about 150 fishes.

The side order of ANN-A was also our doing, confirmed even before I collected frys from my own ANN.

I had thought of roping in a group but reconsidered, because the order was on a trial basis and should things not go as expected, there won't be a round of finger pointing between Au, Sia Meng & myself.

The risks were there, we were willing lab mice and are fully aware of the risks and obligations, being that for the ANN-A, should there be no takers, we would have to foot that lot as well!

Personally, I held higher expectations from the ANN-E but what I didn't expect was the generated interest.

The ANN-A are not to be miscontrued as 'sub-standard' or anything lesser. These are more affordable and for those who are new to ANNs, it's a good start... to learn more about and care for them, and both line of ANNs share the same behavioural pattern and other requirements.

We ordered 20 ANN-E and I have 6 in one partition, and 50 ANN-A in the next partition for closer observation.

The ANN-E are all taken up but the ANN-A are, from what I'm told, are still available.

I'm quite delighted with how the order concluded and would like to add another 20 to my 6 ANN-E. I know Au and Sia Meng are looking forward to more.

Just remember that there's no guarantee of females included. Is anyone else game?

[hwchoy]

ahhh! much clearer now :wink: any ANN-Africa?

btw you shouldn't put them in adjacent partition as they jump. keep them farther apart unless you know care about mixing.

[RonWill]

ahhh! much clearer now :wink: any ANN-Africa?

Choy,
Whew!! Am relieved I don't have to elaborate that further!

Of all the ANN populations, it's the original 'Monrovia' population, first circulated within the European and US hobby, which has intense reds in unpaired fins. That is my 'dream ANN', albeit reportedly last seen in the late '70s.

Currently distributed ANN 'Monrovia' has less reds and I'm hoping that our ANN-E are direct decendents from that original line (there's no harm in having some faith)

btw you shouldn't put them in adjacent partition as they jump. keep them farther apart unless you know care about mixing.

Oh YES! Good point!! My partitions, from the sides, are fitted with inserts that are 'juvenile-safe', ie. can't slip through except for newly hatched fry.

There is a strip of dense filter padding at the base of the tank and bottom of the partition compresses upon it, while the glass cover rests directly on the partition. There's no possibility of an ANN, or any other fish for that matter, merging with other groups.

(It would be a totally different scenario if I 'merged' with Anne and Anna! )

Thanks for the thoughts anyway!

[PohSan]

Ronnie wrote:

Just remember that there's no guarantee of females included. Is anyone else game?

I will be very interested to keep some ANN-E also. Due to my tank size, I planned to keep around 6. If there is another order of ANN-E, please include my name into the list. Thanks

Regards,
Ong Poh San

[RonWill]

I will be very interested to keep some ANN-E also. Due to my tank size, I planned to keep around 6. If there is another order of ANN-E, please include my name into the list.

Poh San, when I put my 6 ANN-E into a single partition, they vanished into thin air! In your 2 footer, believe me, you won't see them at all.

I'd like to suggest something. The ANN-A are affordable. Get 10 of these to start your learning curve... and then tell me if 6 is enough*! :wink:

When you do get the ANN-E later, you can further appreciate why I'm getting more of those too.

*Note this: my one small partition holds 50 of these ANN-A very comfortably, with room to spare... and they're room-mates to a small brood of Simpsonichthys constanciae!

[PohSan]

Ronnie wrote:

I'd like to suggest something. The ANN-A are affordable. Get 10 of these to start your learning curve... and then tell me if 6 is enough*!

Thanks for the advice, I think you are right. I will starts with the ANN-A first.


Regards,
Ong Poh San

[CM Media]

I'm getting another 20 to 40 for myself. Anyone game enough to tag along?

As Ronnie had explained, there is a minimum quantity to fulfill before we can go ahead. So those who are keen do place your orders here. Once it hits the minimum requirement, we'll go ahead.

[hwchoy]

Au, I'd love ONE PAIR for photo purpose only. I will give it to anyone who wants them (especially the female) once the shots are done.

[RonWill]

ok folks, here are the pics... can't say I'm entirely happy with the shots but rather than keep you all waiting... a blur shot is better than no shot! That said, I can't wait for Choy to get his hand on a few!

ANN-A (Asian-sourced)







ANN-E (European-sourced)





These are low-resolution images since I can take forever to upload on a dialup

Happy are those who've seen the fish in person and will know that these pics don't do the fish justice.

Happy are also those, who can't tell the difference and still keep a fat wallet!!

I've taken more than 100 pics and these are the few lousy ones I have to show Digital zoom really stinks! and the ANNs keep darting all over the place! Hope you enjoy them nonetheless.

[hwchoy]

Ronnie, never use digital zoom. for some cams they don't tell you when you cross from optical to digital zoom, or it may be an obscure indicator (e.g. the Coolpix would show a zoom bar on the LCD and it changes colour when you cross over to digital zoom).

[RonWill]

Choy, I have no idea what you're talking about ... maybe that'll be a good reason for you to swing by, take the pics and show me? :wink:

Also, I was responding to a thread in KillieTalk and thought I'll bring up the 'partition' issue. Look at this and tell me if I can improve on things further. TIA.

Meanwhile, let me see if transferring the ANN to the phototank will sharpen things up.

[hwchoy]

Choy, I have no idea what you're talking about ... maybe that'll be a good reason for you to swing by, take the pics and show me? :wink:

let's say your camera optics is capable of 3× zoom, and the electronics will further "zoom" another 4×. most digicam blurbs will hawk this as an astounding 12× zoom. In actual fact the digital zoom does nothing to capture details, it is merely a computer algorithm in extrapolating what is captured by the optics, which is 3× zoom. So zoom to your maximum optical capability, and use PhotoShop for further crop and resizing (zooming) because it does a much better job than what the camera is capable of.

Saturday is completely out for me, only chance is perhaps Sunday afternoons.

[benny]

Hi guys,

Here's one of mine from some time ago to share. It's the same pair as the one in my avatar.



It's an Asian version/variety. By the way, the tail seems rounded because the rightmost fish was trying to "shoo" the other one away with it's tail.

Cheers,

[RonWill]

Here's one of mine from some time ago to share.

Benny, knew this thread would catch your attention! :wink: Thanks for sharing the excellent pic as usual. The ANNs look like they're suspended in air and in time!

Can't wait to see what you or Choy can do with the ANN-E (not Anne! ) Any chance of that happening?

Choy, for the sake of getting some nice ANN pics (and some for my monitor's desktop), let's arrange a Sunday and see what we end up with.

[hwchoy]

for your monitor desktop simply leech Benny's pic, crop to 4/3 ratio and voila

[PohSan]

I went down to F N F during my lunch time. Besides annulatus (ANN-A), I also bought two pair of Nothobranchius flammicomantus kisaki because they are so beautiful.

Another killies also catch my eye. It was inside the planted tank room, on the right wall, at leftmost of the display tanks. It looks like Aplochelius panchax but the body is siliver with a bit of pinkish. I gave up idea of purchasing them because the owner said it does not have the collection code and I was a bit broke. I was quite regret now.

I was too rush to note down the name of the fish. Can any one enlighten me? Thanks

Regards,
Ong Poh San

[gweesm1]

I was too rush to note down the name of the fish. Can any one enlighten me? Thanks

It should be Aphyosemion striatum.

I gave up idea of purchasing them because the owner said it does not have the collection code and I was a bit broke. I was quite regret now.

Poh San, personally I am Ok with un-coded fish, however not hybrid. AUS and SJO in the hobby are usually un-coded, however if it is corrupted or rather a hybrid, I will not consider them.

Of course if given a choice, I will choose fish with population and collection code.

Regards,