erratum: Ep fasciolatus zimiensis SL89 not SL99

[ruyle]

Folks, soon Ronnie Lee will have an approved image of above fish sent by
David Mikkelsen that he can post to the forum. Next week I hope to send
(via David) eggs of same to Ronnie Lee. :wink:

Bill Ruyle

[timebomb]

Hi, Bill,

I got the image from David today and he gave me permission to use it in this forum. It's truly one of the most beautiful fish I've seen. Ronnie, we are counting on you to hatch the eggs :wink:



Loh K L

[hwchoy]

Ronnie, when you hatch and colour up this fish, I'll camp at your house until we get a picture

[RonWill]

<faint!>

[ruyle]

Hi, Bill,

I got the image from David today and he gave me permission to use it in this forum. It's truly one of the most beautiful fish I've seen. Ronnie, we are counting on you to hatch the eggs :wink:


Loh K L

Hi Kwek Leong, David insists that this is an unretouched photo, looks like a
painting! As a comparative check out Tim Addis' site: Killifish of West Africa
he has a pic of this fish, too. David must have captured the image using
natural sunlight on the front glass. Anyhoo, wish me luck next week! My
nick on Aquabid is "Zardoz17"

Bill Ruyle

[hwchoy]

it is quite possible to produce such colours through flash photography, especially multi-source flash setup.

In any case, I would expect some "adjustments" to have been done which is a different thing from "retouching". Such minor adjustments would have been done by the processing lab without you knowing in a lab if you used film.

[RonWill]

David, if you're reading this, thanks for allowing us to host the pic at this forum. A picture speakth a thousand words and in this case, of psychedelic colors!

Bill, on behalf of every here, thank you for your faith in bringing this beauty to our shores. I was getting dizzy from the expectations piled upon by you folks, not to mention a camper outside my home! but I'll tackle the species as per SOP, so I don't get too stressed up!

Kwek Leong, I could have sworn that you 'touched up' the pic before posting it up. My eyes aren't what they used to, so I 'enlarged' it a little and noted no less than 13 hues (or colors) and many more gradient chromas in between! Unbelievable!... almost like looking into a rainbow and to think it's an Epiplatys (some of them are rather bland). Do you wish to split the loot, so we both can lose some hair? :wink:

Choy, when you pitch the tent... I'll roll out out the mattress, pillows and a nice cool malt. Nothing like pampering your fishy lensman to bring out the best in him... (and you folks can blame him if the pics are not up to your standard! ).

oh... and I didn't know what "erratum" was. So I did a search in my favourite dictionary and it's defined as : An error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a list of corrections and bound into a book. (and if you're interested, it's pronounced "er·ra·tum")

I would have simply called it "a typo", but a swell fish it is! :wink:

[killifishdavid]

I agree that this fish is one of the most awesomed colored killifish I have ever seen! This photo was not enhanced or painted in any way. This shot above was taken indoors under full spectrum flo. lighting. I have heard a problem with this fish is sex ratios tend to be very male heavy. I am raising fry in several conditions to see if the female ratio of offspring can be increased. I will assume that like with many of the cooler water killifish that many hobbiest have the same sex ratio problem with, that the fish are being raised in too warm and/or too neutral PH of water. I am placing my bet that cool(66 to 68 F degrees) and acidic water will yeild a percentage of females to keep this fish going. I have tried to locate everyone every working with this fish and they have all lost it due to all male offspring.
By the way I picked a batch of eggs from then again tonite Bill, go ck AB!!

[ruyle]

By the way I picked a batch of eggs from then again tonite Bill, go ck AB!!

Thanks, David, I've placed my bid. Also, as mentioned before, there will be
some items from your "buffet table" Ron and I want you to send. I have a
high confidence level of winning it seems. Thanks for the handy tips
on these fish. Your Oregon water (the closest thing to RO outa the tap)
should be easy to tweak when breeding these fish and I hope I too am successful in producing females.

Regards,

Bill

[timebomb]

Hi Kwek Leong, David insists that this is an unretouched photo, looks like a painting!

Indeed, it does look like a painting, Bill. But it also reminds me of a legendary bird in Chinese culture, the Phoenix.

You know, when I saw that picture, I thought, "Just when I was thinking about not keeping too many species of Killies but to concentrate on only a few, here comes another one that I have to have in my tanks. Shucks, Bill, you're really infectious :smile:

Ronnie, you hatch the eggs and I will take some fry from you.

Loh K L

[hwchoy]

here's the picture from FishBase, apparently a whole lot of subspecies and synonyms have been condensed as Epiplatys fasciolatus (Günther 1866).

[RonWill]

David, is this the same fish mentioned at Tim Addis's site? In it, there's one "E. zimiensis Perie SL 89" but not 'Faimah'. From what know, how many populations of the E. fasciolatus zimiensis are there?

I have heard a problem with this fish is sex ratios tend to be very male heavy. I am raising fry in several conditions to see if the female ratio of offspring can be increased.

FYE (From Your Experience), is this ratio influenced at time of spawning, incubation, hatching or raising?

There was an experiment reported on the net, that if fry are hatched and raised in 2's, the sex ratio is supposedly more balanced.

I will assume that like with many of the cooler water killifish that many hobbiest have the same sex ratio problem with, that the fish are being raised in too warm and/or too neutral PH of water.

In our local waters, where water parameters can be adjusted but not the temp, would 25~31ºC be considered 'too warm'? It's unlikely that I'd be adding a chiller to the tank anytime soon.

I am placing my bet that cool(66 to 68 F degrees) and acidic water will yeild a percentage of females to keep this fish going.

Would acidic water alone yield a balanced ratio?

I have tried to locate everyone every working with this fish and they have all lost it due to all male offspring.

All?... urm... it's quite unbelievable not to have a single female around!... ouch! May I know how many have worked on it?

By the way I picked a batch of eggs from then again tonite Bill, go ck AB!!

... and I've just registered for an AB account. No prizes for guess what my 'moniker/handle' is! :wink:

[RonWill]

You know, when I saw that picture, I thought, "Just when I was thinking about not keeping too many species of Killies but to concentrate on only a few, here comes another one that I have to have in my tanks.

I think there was an old Bond movie titled "Never Say Never", but don't worry my friend, our old arrangement of 'safety-net' never left my mind :wink: .

Kwek Leong, when that time comes, we'll split the 'loot' and as usual, I'll post all relevant status/updates.

Shucks, Bill, you're really infectious :smile:

yeah... and I think he's gonna get me into alot more too!

OK, you people listen up... who has 2-ft tanks that they wanna discard or donate?? I need 'em! (ouch! I think I just sprained my tonsils from laughing too hard!)

[hwchoy]

Ronnie, under Sierra Leone I found the following possibilities for your mentioned localities:

• Peri (11°4'36"W, 7°39'42"N)
• Faima (11°34'11"W, 7°41'7"N)

the two places are about 55km apart, on the left and right side of the Moa River. Considering these fish comes from Sierra Leone, I doubt our weather would hardly be considered “too wam”.

[ruyle]

In our local waters, where water parameters can be adjusted but not the temp, would 25~31ºC be considered 'too warm'? It's unlikely that I'd be adding a chiller to the tank anytime soon.

Ron, I believe David raises these in a basement fishroom where it is easy
to keep the water cool. You might want to build a few Henri de Bruyn type
wet/dry filters that will keep the water 2-5degrees cooler than any other
type filter. Also the raingutter you will use would be easy to load up with
ice cubes which would melt and drip down in the tank. Article on its construction was featured in an AKA journal and if interested I will go over
its construction with you after work. I am planning on building a few myself. I guess diapterons are not the first choice among SG members :wink: Gotta run!

Regards,

Bill

[hwchoy]

oh... and I didn't know what "erratum" was. So I did a search in my favourite dictionary and it's defined as : An error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a list of corrections and bound into a book. (and if you're interested, it's pronounced "er·ra·tum")

Ronnie, erratum is the singular of errata lor*.

* now define “lor”

[RonWill]

...under Sierra Leone I found the following possibilities for your mentioned localities:

• Peri (11°4'36"W, 7°39'42"N)
• Faima (11°34'11"W, 7°41'7"N)

Choy, where did you find the populations? I was at Tim's zimiensis site and couldn't even find the word 'Faima'.

Another site I went, has the following details;
Zimi, PK80 Bomi Hills & Peri
Non-annual, Size: 8cm, **(Advanced Level of difficulty in Aquarium)
Distribution: SierraLeone, Liberia

You might want to build a few Henri de Bruyn type wet/dry filters...

Bill, I'm running a wet-dry trickle-filter in my sump. Both are DIY and this filter services a 4-tier rack with 3 x 4-footers (48"L x 18"W x 10"H = 135 litres or 36 US gal.) Was following the discussion at KT on the Henri filter... but got confused! Would love to have the low down on it's construction and application. Kick start another thread on this and I'll work with you from there.

I guess diapterons are not the first choice among SG members.

Don't be too quick to say that... I know some very gung-ho fellas here who'll try anything at least once!

[hwchoy]

Choy, where did you find the populations? I was at Tim's zimiensis site and couldn't even find the word 'Faima'.

what try to dig my lobang pay school fees man

OK, actually I know of two good sites for checking geographical locations:

• Alexandria Digital Library Gazetteer (this site used by FishgBase)
• Worldwide Directory of Cities and Towns

Do note that these are possible locations, whether they are the locations quoted as the population codes I do not know.

[RonWill]

what try to dig my lobang

Yes Choy, I had to ask and am sure the rest of the guys and gals appreciated the answer too! I'll go check it up later. Thanks!

PS: I hope lobang* doesn't translate literally as 'hole'... that, I wouldn't want to dig!

*In Bahasa Melayu or Malay language, lobang would mean... urm... 'hole'... as in "a hole in the ground (or my wallet)". Coloquially, and as a figure of speech, it translates as 'clue', 'lead' or any means/method of getting 'a good score'.
(urhm, Choy... we're going off topic :wink: )

[CM Media]

I have heard a problem with this fish is sex ratios tend to be very male heavy.

Oh no another one!!! Ronnie, after you manage to raise them, I would like to have a pair to try!

I've worked on the Simp. picturatus that give me 1 female out of 60 raised. I manage to get a percentage of 80% female when I alter the water chemistry! This may differ from the Ep. fasciolatus as the Simp. picturatus belongs to the annuals!

'Never Try Never Know'