Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa

**PohSan** · 15th Mar 2004, 23:27

I know a friend from Greece through AQ when we were discussing about planted tank. Partly due to the influence of me, he started to keep killies also. He has a pair of Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa. I hope to help him to start out the hobby but when I search through the internet by google, I have received only one hit!

I hope to know more about this fish so I am really appreciated if anyone can provide some information on this fish.

Thanks,
Ong Poh San

**zmzfam** · 15th Mar 2004, 23:39

Pohsan,

at Tim Addis site it is listed as Baissa, refer here

but at a killietalk postinghere it is corrected to be Biassa

Anybody know which is the correct location code?

BTW, where did your friend get this species?

**PohSan** · 15th Mar 2004, 23:43

Sorry, I forgot to mention that he is from Greece. I will make the correction in the first post.

Thanks to zmzfam, I make a mistake on the spelling of the fish also, the name he had given me is Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa

Regards,
Ong Poh San

**RonWill** · 16th Mar 2004, 00:07

Poh San, if you're maintaining any other Fundulopanchax species, eg. Fp. gardneri N'sukka, be very careful... the females cannot be differentiated. One negligent move... and you'd end up with "Bai'sukka"... then you'll get zero hit on Google!

The 'Baissa' was one of my first killie with population code and is a very nice fish. Are you going to trade eggs with him and is he in our forum? If not, what are you waiting for?

Zul, you're quick to spot the typo. Good to know I've others to rely on in catching these slips. Thanks! :wink:

**RonWill** · 16th Mar 2004, 00:13

Originally Posted by zmzfam

Tim Addis site it is listed as Baissa, refer here

Zul, Tim's site is correct. It is 'Baissa'.

Poh San, two nitpicks... only the genus and location is capitalized, not the species, ie. Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa, not Gardneri. :wink:

**hwchoy** · 16th Mar 2004, 02:11

I've not studied now killifolks write their location codes but in general the convention should be Fundulopanchax gardneri var. Baissa.

Yes?

**RonWill** · 16th Mar 2004, 02:20

Originally Posted by hwchoy

Fandulopanchanx gardneri var. Baissa.

Fandulopanchanx

hmm... a typo?

Choy, does 'var' denote 'variety'? FWIK, 'Baissa' is the location. Not aware of collection code tho.

**hwchoy** · 16th Mar 2004, 02:30

Originally Posted by RonWill

Fandulopanchanx

hmm... a typo?

Choy, does 'var' denote 'variety'? FWIK, 'Baissa' is the location. Not aware of collection code tho.

gah! yes too busy fixing the "Baissa" and got the genus wrong

yes var. is short for variety and denotes a population with specific traits. However, I have not checked up the ICZN (International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature) on how exactly this is to be used.

**PohSan** · 16th Mar 2004, 08:54

Ronnie wrote:

Are you going to trade eggs with him and is he in our forum? If not, what are you waiting for?

He is a killies newbie, before trading eggs. I will try to help him to breed his fish. :wink: Anyway, I will invited him to visit this forum.

Ronnie wrote:
... only the genus and location is capitalized

Thanks Ronnie, I have correct all the mistakes above. Think this is the second times I made the same mistake.

BTW, how many night-hawks do we have in this forum?

Regards,
Ong Poh San

**RonWill** · 16th Mar 2004, 15:41

Poh San, I don't know what typos you've been correcting but here are the obvious ones...

Look at the thread title... Biassa? It's Baissa!

Originally Posted by Pohsan

...He has a pair of Fundulopanchax gardneri Biasa. I hope to help him

Note spelling of Baissa and that location names are not in Italics.

Thanks to zmzfam, I make a mistake on the spelling of the fish also, the name he had given me is Fundulopanchax gardneri Biassa

For the rest of us who needs a spell checker on killie names...

The Killifish Spell Check Custom Dictionary Files, as hosted at Chicago Killifish Association;
http://chika.aka.org/library/spellchk/spellchk.htm

KMI 4 Ready Reference Guide to Names (Courtesy of ARK - Arizona Rivulin Keepers)
http://ark.killi.net/AList.htm

**gweesm1** · 16th Mar 2004, 18:34

Since you guys are so particular, then let us be more specific. It should be Fundulopanchax gardneri nigerianus Baissa. If not mistaken nigerianus is a sub genus of gardneri

I will love to see that fish again in Singapore. Somebody do something!!

regards

**stormhawk** · 16th Mar 2004, 19:40

Just did a full check on Tim Addis's site. The population of gardneri from Baissa belongs to the subspecies Fundulopanchax (Paraphyosemion) gardneri gardneri.

Therefore, in actual terms, the fish should be called either Fp. g. gardneri Baissa or Paraphyosemion g. gardneri Baissa. Paraphyosemion here refers to the subgenus by which gardneri is grouped under.

From the comments section, this population is known as a very variable population and in captivity, over several generations the fish have lesser dots on the body. Captive populations may need to be outcrossed with wild fish from the location from time to time to prevent such loss of spotting.

On another note, the subspecies known as Fp. gardneri nigerianus has been elevated to full species status by which it is now known as Fp. (Paraphyosemion) nigerianus (Clausen 1983)[/b]

**hwchoy** · 16th Mar 2004, 20:04

Originally Posted by gweesm1

Since you guys are so particular, then let us be more specific. It should be Fundulopanchax gardneri nigerianus Baissa. If not mistaken nigerianus is a sub genus of gardneri

I will love to see that fish again in Singapore. Somebody do something!!

regards

Yes Sia Meng, we are one kind of ngeow when it comes to these sort of things. BTW nigerianus is the sub-species

And horrors, there is actually such a thing known as sub-genus, which would be written after the genus and to be in parenthesis. :wink:

Ah! I see stormhawk has demonstrated an example for the sub-genus *clap* *clap* *clap*

**timebomb** · 16th Mar 2004, 21:45

You sure you're not going overboard, guys

Even on the AKA's website, the fish is known simply as a Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa.

http://aka.org/index.html

Loh K L

**gweesm1** · 16th Mar 2004, 23:59

Originally Posted by timebomb

You sure you're not going overboard, guys

Even on the AKA's website, the fish is known simply as a Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa.

http://aka.org/index.html

Loh K L

the gallery page show that it is known as Fp. gardneri nigerianus Baissa

http://aka.org/pages/Gallery/fundulopanchax.html

**RonWill** · 17th Mar 2004, 15:14

Originally Posted by timebomb

You sure you're not going overboard, guys

Relax brother... how often do these boys get a shot at role-playing? We're all ichthyologist in the making!

**PohSan** · 8th Apr 2004, 15:49

I received a PM from my friend at Greece, bring some good news to me:
Hello my friend!

Some good news! I have about 20 Killie babies! They swim around mama and papa but they dont eat them. Very cool! You cannot see them most of the time but when I feed them Artemia they appear from nowhere!
I took out the rock with the erect moss trying to see if there were any eggs in there but I couldn't see anything. Could you please ask your friends at Killies.com if I can send fries to you? I'm pretty sure that I've read somewhere that they can survive the trip! Please check! Plenty of fries available!

My friend is a planted tank guy so I do not wish to disturb his tank setup. Is that anyway which I can sent live fish to Singapore? I heard of breather bag but I am not sure if that kind of bag is available in his country. If that is not possible, I guess that I will have to wait for him to found eggs in his tank.

Regards,
Ong Poh San

**PohSan** · 28th May 2004, 22:41

Hi all,
Just an update on the Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa. I had received six fry from my friend 1 1/2 month ago.The fry is very hardy because all the six fry survived the 6 days journey and it was not in a breather bag. Within 5 to 6 weeks, 2 of the male have grown to the size of 3 to 4 cm and is very pretty, 1 female is only 2/3 of the size of the male. The rest of the 3 dead

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My friend is a expert in planted tank but not in killifish. He identified the fish as Fundulopanchax gardneri Baissa based on photos. Thus I attached the photo of the fish for all of your identification. Thanks.

Regards,
Ong Poh San

**RonWill** · 29th May 2004, 00:17

Poh San, is the only female dead?... what happened? That's a pity esp. when GARs are very tough fishes.

BTW, it looks like the Baissa I used to maintain but it's very risky to ID a fish from pics alone.

**PohSan** · 29th May 2004, 01:01

Hi Ronnie,
I am sorry to have confused you. Now, I have 2 male and 1 precious female left. I will bring all of them to you tomorrow for your temporary care. BTW, do anyone keep Baissa also. Just in case if my female dead

I am trying to maintain this batch of fish since I considered it as a gift from a oversea friend.

P.S : I am aware of maintaining the pure stain of the fish so I will not pass this batch of fish to anyone. However, this fish is great beginner fish, not only they are tough, they are fast growing and beautiful also. Do anyone has a pure stain of this fish and is willing to sell some bags of egg to me?

Regards,
Ong Poh San

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