Bill's A. australe BSWG 97/24

[timebomb]

Hi, Bill and all,

It's time for their debut

Please say hello to Bill's Aphyosemion australes BSWG 97/24 which came as eggs to me a few months ago.






Bill, I might be giving a trio of this fish to NongOil who's a good friend of mine living in Thailand. I hope that's okay with you. Hopefully, NongOil will be able to breed the fish and share them with you when you move there.

Loh K L

[RonWill]

urm... Kwek Leong, is that the BSWG 97/24 or the EBT 96/27? I don't recall my BSWG coloring up so nicely (maybe they need a planted tank of their own!).

Just did a pic comparison with my EBT and if you were to observe the coloration and patterns, your BSWG and my EBT looks d*mn close... unless I'm getting blind! (please excuse the 'hazy' look, pic was shot through plastic containers)

If the pic doesn't load, try this page;
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/fi.../EBT_96-27.htm

The EBTs were from David discussed in this thread. So David and Bill, any idea which is which?

[zmzfam]

I'll second Ronnie on that. It looks very much like the coloration on my EBT 96/27 too...even those on the body.

But Ron, if you refer to Tim Addis site on the AUS, he mentioned that
"Wild caught males have a deep brown body colour. Variability between wild populations is small." and also both collections are collected in South Gabon.

Read this post from the killietalk.

All in all, I'll say don't go blind trying to spot the differences between the two collection codes. You might not notice it.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

[RonWill]

Firstly, my apologies to David for not seeking prior permission before posting his pics but I'm getting quite upset. I've already discontinued 3 lines of AUS not breeding true, and psychologically, not quite ready to terminate my 'EBT's which have just started breeding. When the discussion settles, I'll remove the links/pics.

It looks very much like the coloration on my EBT 96/27 too...even those on the body.

Zul, it will help if you can provide further pics, as will I, in the photo tank.

All in all, I'll say don't go blind trying to spot the differences between the two collection codes. You might not notice it.

As far as color variability, I beg to differ and might as well be blind if I can't differentiate between these two... (see postscript)

... and yes, I do my homework too :wink:

EDIT POSTSCRIPT : Zul's right. For pictures of the AUS in question, please refer to David's page (again, my apologies)

[zmzfam]

I'm not sure what's wrong with your connection/settings of your PC, but I can see the hot-linked pics using the PC at work and also at home. See my reply at this thread.

... and yes, I do my homework too

Ok, I like to apologize for not completing my homework ... I should have gone to David's site to take a look at his pics.
Agree with you, the color variation is just too much, one is yellowish while the other is orangish.

Ron, you could have just hot-linked the pics from David's server.
Anyway, those who are interested to see the various pics of the AUS strains, take a look HERE.

[CM Media]

I'm quite certain the the picture posted by timebomb is the EBT 96/27 and not the BSWG 97/24.

I've both fish from David and the BSWG 97/24 is more of yellowish and the EBT 96/27 is more of the brown colouration.

David,

You might want to clarify this.

[ruyle]

Hi KL, beautiful photos, beautiful fish! They do *not* look like the Port
Gentil that Dave has pictured on his site. I distinctly remember the container was marked BSWG 97-24 with a collection date on it when I sent
the eggs to you. I don't want to sound blasphemous, but maybe Dave got
his wires crossed when he boxed these up. Things happen.....still, they are
beautiful!

Distribution of fish I leave to your discretion, always. :wink:

Regards,

Bill
farang9

[RonWill]

Hi all,
With a few good hours of sleep and re-reading all the posts, I need to clarify that there's no 'finger-pointing'. It's something I need to know when distributing the EBTs, in clear conscience. Worst case sceniro would be discontinuing one more 'aquarium strain'. <sigh>

I was gonna say, "Here's another 'musical name' AUS"...'Cape Esterias' BSWG 97/24, until I studied the known populations at Tim Addis's AUS page.

Looks like we're in for a good time :wink:

[timebomb]

Hi, fellas,

In the few meetings I had with Professor Benito Tan, the thing I learnt about identifying species is that you should always go to the source. In this case, the source is not David although the eggs were from him. David could have made a mistake but even if he didn't, we can't be sure that the guy who gave him the eggs or fish didn't name them wrongly. The source would be the 4 guys whom the fish were named after, namely Thomas Blum, P.Sewer, H.Weder and R.Gluggenbuehl. They were the ones who collected the fish and they should know.

For the time being until we are sure of its identity, I will be calling the fish Aphyosemion australes (Chocolate).

Loh K L

[killifishdavid]

I am human and a mishap could have occured.

If you look at the females, the BSWG have less spotting in the body than do the EBT, I also seem to remember the female EBT spots as larger than BSWG.

I allways see color intensity variations within a population of AUS from a single batch. You can not judge the fish color only by photo's, you need to have the fish side by side really to see the differance. I find the EBT males have a more intense blue in most of the offspring than do the BSWG, but their must still be culling for the most colorful males and best maarked females for future generations.

Another note on AUS, water conditions and parameters play a BIG part in the brown intensities seen on the males, from any population or strain.

I am planning a trip to Gabon in September, and should have some wild fish to bring back of AUS, maybe a new location !!!

[RonWill]

David, I have Zul's EBTs under my care while he's away and have taken some pics. All fishes were shot in a plastic tank.

I've been collecting some eggs and will be distributing them around and would appreciate you looking into them (before I append their 'population code'). Tom will be receiving these eggs and it would be reassuring to know we're not corrupting the lines.

Click on the thumbnails for larger images or view directly from the gallery.

Ron's AUS 'Cape Esterias' EBT 96/27 (Male)


Zul's AUS 'Cape Esterias' EBT 96/27 (Male)


Ron's AUS 'Port Gentil' BSWG 97/24 (Male)


Now compare that with the BSWGs that Kwek Leong received from Bill (originally from you).


I have also compared the fishes side-by-side and ironically, find the male BSWGs to have more blues and the EBTs, more brown.

Contrary to what you said, "the BSWG have less spotting in the body than do the EBT", KL's BSWG female's spots are as large or obvious, as my EBTs.

Ron's AUS 'Port Gentil' BSWG 97/24 (Female)

The female BSWG has very few spots but an obvious orange trimming at the bottom of the caudal fin. My trio of BSWG were from Au (acquired from you) and I'm observing much discrepancies.

Lily has borrowed a female BSWG from me, to which she's promised to take a pic of her BSWG male, but hasn't! (Lily, can you do something about that, please.)

I'm getting confused. Any feedback appreciated.

[imported_lily]

Hi Ronnie,

Sorry for not posting the picture earlier as promised, was pretty busy lately. this is how mine looks like.....

[stormhawk]

Lily, sometimes the site won't allow remote linking of images. For those unable to see the pic I've uploaded lily's picture to the public images gallery. Here's a thumbnail of lily's fish.

[RonWill]

Folks,

Here's the next generation of AUS 'Cape Esterias' EBT 96/27 (Males).

Their parents were raised from eggs, with our mass order with David, and are still prolific. It's now Gan's turn to have a go at it and further establish the line (just as I'm safety-netting his Ap. striatum 'Lambarene').



Rong Sheng, if you're still with us, these fellas are waiting for you to fetch them home, together with a young pair of Fp. GAR N'sukka. This is your reward for actively participating in our mass egg orders :wink:

Kwek Leong, anything erotic happening at your end?

[timebomb]

Kwek Leong, anything erotic happening at your end?

I'm afraid not, Ronnie. I gave what I had to some of the hobbyists in this forum. I don't know if they managed to breed them successfully. But I'm glad you did.

Loh K L

[RonWill]

Kwek Leong,
What did you give away... the tentative BSWG's? Regardless of what, the receipients should post updates on the status of the fishes... even when konked. [They should know better than to keep quiet]

How else will we know that they ran into breeding/maintenance problems? In this instance, silence isn't golden.

If you want, I'll make available a pair of EBT's for you. Let me know, ya? [just keep 'em away from the rest of the AUS :wink: ]