NON-KILLIE: Taiwan Fire Shrimplets?

[RonWill]

Hi all,
Being on permanent graveyard shifts sometimes makes visits to LFS and fish farms somewhat inconvenient but I'm blessed with friends who frequent these places and run errands for stuffs like plants, otos, pygmy corys and shrimps are on my fave list.

May 31st. Jian Yang bought some 'Taiwan Fire Shrimps' for me and guess what! I was checking on the 'mommy' and turkey-bastered the 'shrimplets' (is there such a word??) into a plastic soupspoon.

Shrimplets in a spoon.


Here's a closeup.


I don't feed them initially since there's detritus and mulm in the container, but will later suppliment with Sera Micropan, yeast and banana peels.

Care to share some thoughts for prolific shrimp breeding?

'Shortman', how do I edit the URLs for direct hotlinking to the pics??

[hwchoy]

how about a pic of this Taiwan Fire shrimp

[RonWill]

Choy, pics of adult shrimps are more easily available than the little fellas but here's a lousy shot taken awhile back.
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/fi...o040429c1s.JPG
From my observation, these 'Fire Shrimps' are much redder than Cherry shrimps. Whether they're from Taiwan or China is beyond me.

[hwchoy]

man that's pretty small pic! are they completely red without pattern? or do they look like this?

[RonWill]

man that's pretty small pic!...

hmm... so does that mean you're coming over to shoot some 'big' pics? :wink:

BTW, I think the Cherry shrimps aren't endowed with that many red patches. It may actually be the so-called 'Fire Shrimp' (another reason why I luv killies... you can't play around so much with the names )

[hwchoy]

hmm... so does that mean you're coming over to shoot some 'big' pics? :wink:

just say the time man!

BTW, I think the Cherry shrimps aren't endowed with that many red patches. It may actually be the so-called 'Fire Shrimp' (another reason why I luv killies... you can't play around so much with the names )

you mean you think the pic I am showing is possibly a "fire shrimp"? well, we get a few of such super reds cherries in each brood. if so then it probably is just a variety of the regular cherry. Perhaps you can check that when your fries grows up.

[stormhawk]

Choy,

I have a young shrimp that was a survivor from the initial brood of Fire Shrimp fry and the little bugger is damn red, even at the tiny size of 1cm.
The shrimplets that the momma shrimps just released are almost transparent and are roughly 3mm in size at birth. The parents have a red stripe running down their backs, much like Malayan shrimp. Other than that, I can see no other visible identification marks with the exception of heavy red spotting on the shell.

[kc]

Hi Guys,

With picture like that from Choy, who can resist keeping them.

Jian Yang:
Plse help me to source for them. Thank you very much.

[CM Media]

So Ronnie you just can't resist the temptation out there.

The so call "Taiwan Fire Shrimp" I've collected from you are now happily producing babies in my 2ft tank. To me, I still think they're the Cherry shrimp as they look exactly the same when compare to my cherry. At first, they may seem to be very reddish (Taiwan Fire Shrimp which as from the source, it came from China) initally but their colour will fade off like the cherry... I suspect that the shrimp is fed with colour enhancer but yet to have further confirmation. Hope I'm wrong...

Anyway, the black shell shrimp is doing very well in my tank and I saw 2 female shrimps carry lots of eggs... But I've yet to see baby in the tank. :wink:

[hwchoy]

Hi Guys,

With picture like that from Choy, who can resist keeping them.

excellent! that's the whole purpose of our picture archive, to entice people to fall in love with these critters (including killies) :wink:

actually the picture was taken by Ben Yau aka subzero.

[imported_subzero]

There're more good pictures mostly taken by Choy in http://www.hexazona.com, but it's still in a development stage and much more pictures to be added in.

[stormhawk]

Au, I don't think they were fed colour enhancers. If that was the case then the successive generations would be lacking in terms of intensity of the red colouration. In the recent batch that I bought for Ron and myself, there were one or two paler individuals than the rest. Ron himself can testify to that as he was asking me why this one was paler than the rest. I have found that feeding tubifex worms to my previous batch did not change the intensity of the red pigment on their bodies.

But regarding the issue of colour enhancers, I have a young surviving fry from the original batch that I got somewhere in January I think and its even redder than the adults at the size of 1cm, so this is a living testament to dispelling the notion that they were fed enhancers. I suspect that the colour is inherent to some individuals and not due to their diet. Therefore it is more likely a genetic trait rather than one based on diet.

[gweesm1]

I had seen in a number of German websites. Cherry Shrimp is also know as Fire Shrimp, Taiwan Shrimp, or Red Fire Shrimp or ... or ...

http://www.wirbellose.de/klotz/red_cherry.html
http://www.azgardens.com/shrimpfactory.php

[hwchoy]

I had seen in a number of German websites. Cherry Shrimp is also know as Fire Shrimp, Taiwan Shrimp, or Red Fire Shrimp or ... or ...

http://www.wirbellose.de/klotz/red_cherry.html
http://www.azgardens.com/shrimpfactory.php

in the second site, I would be take a very big pinch of salt with the scientific names.

[gweesm1]

in the second site, I would be take a very big pinch of salt with the scientific names.

Take a close look at the first site again, fourt line:
"wissenschaftlichen Namen: Neocaridina denticulata" Now 2 big pinch of salt!

But it seems like the Germans are calling their Cherries Neocaridina denticulata. Another site, http://www.garnelenzucht.de/ecommerc...de/dept_1.html

[Slaigar]

I thought Neocaridina denticulata looked very similar to Caridina japonica, atleast in the colour. Is there any chance that it could a colour variation(German-bred perhaps)?
Rayon Vert Aqua has a list of shrimp and I do have a sort of a blind trust with them. It has pictures of quite a few species. The long-nosed ones are neat.
http://www.rva.jp/netshop/zaiko/new_zaiko_shrimp_dw.htm

[hwchoy]

in the second site, I would be take a very big pinch of salt with the scientific names.

Take a close look at the first site again, fourt line:
"wissenschaftlichen Namen: Neocaridina denticulata" Now 2 big pinch of salt!

But it seems like the Germans are calling their Cherries Neocaridina denticulata. Another site, http://www.garnelenzucht.de/ecommerc...de/dept_1.html

Mr Gwee, are you suggesting that cherries are NOT Neocaridina denticulata? I have seen this reference in many hobby sites but none with a scientific background so I am stubbornly annotating my pics with Neocaridina sp. ‘cherry’. Sometimes I wonder if it is even a Neocaridina at all.

Last month I obtained specimens of a ‘pincerless’ shrimp which turned out to be Macrobrachium lanchesteri according to a source I trust.

[hwchoy]

I thought Neocaridina denticulata looked very similar to Caridina japonica, atleast in the colour. Is there any chance that it could a colour variation(German-bred perhaps)?
Rayon Vert Aqua has a list of shrimp and I do have a sort of a blind trust with them. It has pictures of quite a few species. The long-nosed ones are neat.
http://www.rva.jp/netshop/zaiko/new_zaiko_shrimp_dw.htm

they should look very different, although I have no idea what a Neocaridina denticulata looks like. here's what a Caridina japonica looks like, plus the malayan shrimp and a cherry shrimp (both I believe belong to the genus Neocaridina).

Caridina japonica




Malayan shrimp




Cherry shrimp

[gweesm1]

Mr Gwee, are you suggesting that cherries are NOT Neocaridina denticulata? I have seen this reference in many hobby sites but none with a scientific background so I am stubbornly annotating my pics with Neocaridina sp. ‘cherry’. Sometimes I wonder if it is even a Neocaridina at all.

I am actually unsure, like you, I have not seen or rather not found any site with scientific background on Cherries. (I am not really convince)

[FC]

Nice shrimps!