Can tell me what species of Lampeyes is these?

[hwchoy]

maybe only keehoe can tell since he had the fishes with him.

if he can I'd be very impressed

[penumbra]

which one huh? I don't see any blue ones under Pseudomugil. Actually their pics are rather poor, have you seen this one? http://members.optushome.com.au/chelmon/Contents.htm

True. I must have been mislead by the poor lighting of the photo. But I could have sworn that I had seen traces of blue in the fin section of the rainbowfish at K&K. Pseudomugil Connieae. Now that's a beauty but that's not what I had seen.

[hwchoy]

True. I must have been mislead by the poor lighting of the photo. But I could have sworn that I had seen traces of blue in the fin section of the rainbowfish at K&K. Pseudomugil Connieae. Now that's a beauty but that's not what I had seen.

which part of K&K? maybe tomorrow pop by to have a look

[penumbra]

which part of K&K? maybe tomorrow pop by to have a look

Just finished reading the fish bio. My conclusion is that the fish is indeed Pseudomugil Mellis. The one i had been observing had to be a male, thus the blue cheeks. Actually, I am not certain any more with this afternoon images slowly fading away. You go have a look and tell me. The display tank is located somewhere deep inside the shop towards the left, the section selling aquatic plants.

[stormhawk]

Aplocheilichthys normani was the former name of the fish now known as Poropanchax normani. Please do not interchange the names as and when you wish. Thank you.

For the mellis, if they have white edged fins then you got it right. Otherwise what you may have seen are probably young P. signifer.

[stormhawk]

Before I forget, P. mellis has a patchy distribution and somewhat threatened by the introduction of the Gambusia sp., most probably holbrooki.

In short its status is listed as vulnerable. As long as it is a threatened fish no stocks of this species should have been exported out of Australia. So any, if they do appear, would be a really really rare import.

[hwchoy]

Aplocheilichthys normani was the former name of the fish now known as Poropanchax normani. Please do not interchange the names as and when you wish. Thank you.

haha thus my comments. I don't remember the line-of-reasoning now (although I recall there was, either here or in petfrd) between Poropanchax and Aplocheilichthys but FishBase has updated some of them to Poropanchax (e.g. A. hannerzi) while leaving some as Aplocheilichthys, which in this case the normani is still listed as A. normani.

think the fish I got from Bioplast is a P. signifer, doesn't have white fringes.

[penumbra]

Aplocheilichthys normani was the former name of the fish now known as Poropanchax normani.

I see. My doubt is now cleared. Thanks.

[stormhawk]

The smaller members of the genus Aplocheilichthys should have been split into a different genus, hereby Poropanchax, and an allied subgenus? Congopanchax. I understand Poropanchax to be a valid genus in its own right and therefore all the smaller lampeyes from the genus Aplocheilichthys have been lumped into it.

When clearly compared side to side, one can see differences between P. normani and A. spilauchen, which is the sole remaining Aplocheilichthys.

I am of the opinion that Poropanchax be used for the smaller lampeyes until further notice for the sake of uniformity locally in SG.

Yes I suspect those are signifer as well. They should have been the same batch I found at another fish shop as well.

Offtopic : I saw some oddball loaches at C328, probably some other botia-type loach, MIGHT be the zodiac loach, Mesonoemachilus triangularis. And there's two odd cyprinids at CS. One is the so-called black-spot shark? (in one of the tanks on the top-most row on the left of the shop), and a pair of oddball long-dorsal cyprinids, probably related to the Chemperas. Silvery in colour with a dot near the pectoral fin.

On-topic, the signifer are alive and well and being bred by RonWill at this moment.

[TyroneGenade]

Before I forget, P. mellis has a patchy distribution and somewhat threatened by the introduction of the Gambusia sp., most probably holbrooki.

I'm told that in Australia, until legislation was introduced, the honey blue-eye was as common as dirt! I've got a friend in Oz working at breeding them and posting out eggs.

tt4n

[hwchoy]

I'm just trying to understand FB's logic in assignment between Aplocheilichthys and Poropanchax. Probably have to read up Huber 1999 and Lazara 2001 and, as the Dude would put it, “make your own stand”.

I am on leave the whole week and not sure when CS will re-open after CNY anyway. So those oddballs will just have to wait

[stormhawk]

Offtopic: He should be re-opening at least by next Monday or this weekend the earliest. Call to confirm.

Both Huber and Lazara don't quite agree on some issues but I would say that Poropanchax is generally accepted. I'm following the taxonomy as shown on Tim Addis's website. His is generally accepted as the best source of information on the West African killifish.

[hwchoy]

anyway I checked the reference headings:

• Huber, J. H. 1999. - The estuarian cyprinodont angel Poropanchax scheeli (Roman, 1970) (Aplocheilichthyinae, Cyprinodontiformes): its first discovery from Gabon, with further insights on African lampeyes systematics and on specialized cyprionodonts distribution in brackish waters. Freshwater Mar. Aquar. 52-54, 56, 61-62, 68, 70-72, 74, 76, 78
  CAS Ref No.: 25500
  
  
• Lazara, K. J. 2001. - The killifishes, an annotated checklist, synonymy, and bibliography of recent oviparous Cyprinodontiform fishes. The killifish master index 4. American Killifish Association i-xviii, 1-624, appendices A-C
  CAS Ref No.: 25711

so which publication would you bet on?

ps: I'm thinking FB simply followed the latest reference, even though I think Lazara's is not a proper paper (the usual caveat of ignorance applies) published in a regular scientific journal.

[stormhawk]

I'd bet on Huber's work since it clearly involves a study on the systematics of the African lampeyes.

[hwchoy]

I'd bet on Huber's work since it clearly involves a study on the systematics of the African lampeyes.

*clap* *clap* *clap* I agree

btw any chance of getting the paper?

[stormhawk]

Not likely, since I don't think Dr Huber actually puts up his work freely on the web. If it was published in a journal with a small circulation, that'll be even harder to get a copy of it. I see what I can do but no promises.

[TyroneGenade]

That article by Huber was published in Freshwater and Marine Aquarist (FAMA) and it should be easy obtaining a back issue Go see their webpage: http://www.famamagazine.com

tt4n

[RonWill]

Before I forget, P. mellis has a patchy distribution and somewhat threatened by the introduction of the Gambusia sp., most probably holbrooki.

I'm told that in Australia, until legislation was introduced, the honey blue-eye was as common as dirt! I've got a friend in Oz working at breeding them and posting out eggs

Legislation harms as much as it does conservation and distribution but tell me, Tyrone, what will it take to get your Aussie friend to ship some mellis and P. tenellus our way?

I have eggs of P. signifer and some killies to trade if he/she prefers not to sell.

[TyroneGenade]

I'm sure something can be arranged... last we chatted he was going to obtain some pairs from a good breeder and then get to work. It isn't easy breeding them. Old fish don't breed and they seem to be rather seasonal in breeding habits as well.

I will let you know when he has eggs available.

Keep well

[RonWill]

Thank you, Tyrone.

I have the P. signifer in one of the partitions, with Anubias sp and Egeria densa, about pH7 and a floating mop. I'm not sure how 'old' my breeders are but they're at it like rabbits. Eggs are huge for such a small fish but I'm not complaining.

Will look forward to good news from you and your friend.