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Thread: My new killies! Fundulopanchax Walkeri GH2/74

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    Deborah, thought I'd post a few pics of the fish David Ramsey sent me:





    Wright tells me these are from the original stock that he had!

    I'm using a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1 and need to get my external flash
    hooked up and Paint Shop Pro! The cam sports a Leica 12x zoom lens and
    right now I'm shooting in Simple Mode (beginners).

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by farang
    Wright tells me these are from the original stock that he had!
    Bill, whose original stock?... Wright's or David's?

    The color and markings on the male looks good. Does the female exhibit any of those?

    PS: For the DMC-FZ1, while in macro mode, see if you can zoom in and note the minimum focussing distance. Then zoom back to 'standard' or 'wide' and check the distance again. I suspect the 'wide' focal length will get in closer. Is the 12x zoom optical or digital? (Maybe we should discuss this further in the other thread )
    I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
    Ronnie Lee

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    Hi Ron,
    That is optical, equivalent to a 35-420mm telephoto lens on a 35mmSLR.
    Tomorrow morning I'm using macro mode (been reading today). Macro
    mode can get as close as 5cm from the subject! I got this cam on ebay for $176.06, delivered, very pleased with it!

    This walkeri is originally from Wright, who gave it to Dave.

    Bill

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    Cool Bill! Those must be related to my killies! My fish send their greetings to their relatives in Alabama!
    Deborah

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    Deborah,

    David Ramsey took over responsibility for the GH2s (and eventually all Fp.) as the core species coordinator for KCC when I moved on to "rule" the Fp. and then the SAA rescue groups. The species went through two major genetic bottlenecks while I had them.

    All the fish in KCC were the original 6 I got from Roger Langton. They were nearly extinct in the American hobby at that time (but I believe -- hope -- other stock has been found and introduced, since then).

    I had given stock to two other BAKA breeders who had health problems at the same time and lost all their fish. Back again to what I had in my fishroom. [Down to about 25 individuals, at that time] I used the net to get a more-widespread breeder base, to avoid a repeat of that experience. That's when David got "volunteered."

    David spread them further and used the internet to coordinate an even wider breeder base, so they are, again, widespread in the hobby and doing well. Go back to some of the pictures in Scheel's books to see how perfectly the present stock matches the old wild fish. I think David has moved on but left the GH2s in the capable hands of one of his breeders.

    The KCC program has done a superb job of keeping as many wild genes as possible. We refused to breed to outsized or unusually-colored stock, and gang-spawned and swapped stock to keep a good broad base. The original fish were remarkably free of variability, which helped. It is obvious to the mathematically-inclined that such small populations cannot keep all the wild genes one might like. True species preservation is the province of museums and government projects in most places, where thousands of fish must be kept to avoid serious gene loss.

    I hope that explains the cryptic remarks. Probably most GH2s in the US hobby are descended from those original six I got from Roger L. about 10-12 years ago. We refused to cross with some European imports, as they apparently had been selected for much greater size. The GH2/74 location is still available in Europe, but may be a bit less like the wild fish than ours.

    Wright
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    This is what the tank looks like after a water change and trim today. I'm trying to create a 'foreground' but also a separate area on the left for Baby. Papa usually chases him to the left side so I figured if I increase the plants as a sort of border that would give him his own space (and then some cleared space farther to the left). I think I need a few more females at least so maybe one or two can keep Baby company over on his side.

    The smallest female appears to have some sort of a swim bladder problem as she's lost her bouyancy. She can still move around if she exerts a lot of effort, but mostly uses the plants to get around -- she hops from plant to plant and stays at the top. She still has a lot of vigor, though, so I'm leaving her in the tank (I had thought of removing her). I've left the right side of the tank very jungle like so she has plenty of plants to 'climb' up with.

    Here's Papa killi.

    Deborah

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    Deborah, that's your 20 gallon long? Nice tank! This Wednesday I remove
    the pair from the container and check for eggs.

    Bill

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    Thanks! yep, that's my 20 long. I'll probably move that clay pot to the right under the jungle and plant more marselia where the pot is so there can be a clearing for Baby as well as one large one in the middle. The pot just has some peat in it to darken the water a tad. There is Onyx sand in that tank, so it's my 'hardest' water tank.

    *hopes Bill finds lots of eggs*
    Deborah

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    Here's my 20 gallon again after another water change and some more clearing out/trimming of the plants, today. You can just spot Baby swimming by too.


    Deborah

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    Looking good, Deborah! As a comparative, I too, changed 3 tanks today
    and here's a pic that turned out OK:



    See, we both change water but yours looks so much nicer! Tried to
    get some pics of my Kutunze but they were shy today. Got some eggs
    on peat, too! Be at least a month or so before I can hatch them out.

    Bill

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    Is that screen in the back for a moss wall? My tank only looks nice because of the co2. The answer to life is co2! And, I worry sometimes that it will be too much co2 and harm them too...so it's a two edged sword (DIY co2 in that tank so it fluctuates).

    Is it a whole month that the eggs are dormant before wetting? Congrats on the eggs!

    I've ordered a cannister filter for this tank -- so far it's been filterless -- but since I want a few more females to keep Baby company, I figured I better put a filter in there.
    Deborah

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    Deborah,
    The screen is on the outside of the tank to cover up power cords, airlines.
    I use Excel, but it doesn't do what CO2 can, obviously. I'm only using
    two 13w cf lights in a 15, a little underpowered. It takes at least 4 weeks
    in the peat (Dave Ramsey says 6) before you can wet down the peat to
    see what you have.

    Bill

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    Deborah, I decided to remove the screens from off the back of my tanks.
    Got tired of looking at them in photos! So here is one tank:



    The lighting of the 7 gallon tank is by Philips daylight 40watt incandescent.

    Photos taken by Sony DKC-FP3 are just cropped, nothing else.

    Bill

    I think it looks better this way.

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    Looks nice, Bill -- especially since you aren't using Co2. I think the plants (and fish) look healthy. Have you thought of putting a fluorescent over the 7 gallon? Less energy for one thing
    Deborah

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    Bill, the walkeris are looking real nice.
    Fish.. Simply Irresistable
    Back to Killies... slowly.

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    Deborah, Jian Yang,
    Thanks for your comments. Yes, on this tank I don't even use Excel. I
    use the 40w incandescent 4-6 hours a day (tank is near north window.)
    No filter, either, so I'm saving some energy there.

    In a couple of weeks I'm going to dunk the peat and see if I can hatch
    some babies!

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscesgirl
    Have you thought of putting a fluorescent over the 7 gallon? Less energy for one thing
    Deborah, I ran a test tonight and found the following: it takes almost the
    same amount of energy to turn on a fluorescent light as it does an
    incandescent one

    I like the natural look it gives the tank. I took those pics at night with just
    the flash on the camera and the 40w "Real" daylight Philips bulb over the
    tank. Compare the look of it to yours and my pics that have fluorescent
    lighting. Granted, it's not efficient, but the bulbs are less than $2 apiece
    at Home Depot. And yes, I'll probably place a 13w over it eventually, just
    not in a hurry.

    Bill

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    Here is the tank now...I've done some more clearing out. Baby seems a bit depressed now in his corner. I really need to get him some females just to keep him company.

    Deborah, I ran a test tonight and found the following: it takes almost the
    same amount of energy to turn on a fluorescent light as it does an
    incandescent one
    Funny, Bill!!!! [/url]
    Deborah

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    and here's Baby

    Deborah

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    Awww.. baby's all grown up now. He's looking real nice.
    Fish.. Simply Irresistable
    Back to Killies... slowly.

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