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    Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

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    Recently just bought 3 of these. Was told by the LFS owner that they are Holland Rams. Put them in the same tank with the neons.

    Has been 2 days and the rams have been in hiding behind the plants. Once in a while, one of them will come out but if you go near the tank, it rushed into hiding again.

    They also do not come out for feeding. Have been without food for days already. How to make them come out for food?

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Hi there, the thing about fishes are, the more hiding places given, the less they hid. I find it quite true. have fun! welcome..

    for feeding, always feed the same time every day, and drop food at the same spot.

    dont worry

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    No worries, once they are real hungry they will come out for food, I did kept Holland ram before and that is the behaviour of this fish. Try not to move too fast infront of them and they will swim to you and stare at you until you frighten them off again.

    Ha ha enjoy this fish and just to let you know they will spawn too.....

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    The more hiding places given, the less they hide? Hmm, this is interesting. I see them nipping at the bottom of the tank. But unlikely there is food cos most time, the neons would finish them off when the pellets were still floating.

    Quote Originally Posted by barmby View Post
    Hi there, the thing about fishes are, the more hiding places given, the less they hid. I find it quite true. have fun! welcome..

    for feeding, always feed the same time every day, and drop food at the same spot.

    dont worry

    So it is ok they go without food for days? 4 days now with no food. Will they swim up like the neons to snatch for food? Or are they so timid that they will wait patiently for the food pellets to fall. Chances are very slim cos the neons will give very little chance for it to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by goody992828 View Post
    No worries, once they are real hungry they will come out for food, I did kept Holland ram before and that is the behaviour of this fish. Try not to move too fast infront of them and they will swim to you and stare at you until you frighten them off again.

    Ha ha enjoy this fish and just to let you know they will spawn too.....

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Quote Originally Posted by Stitch View Post
    The more hiding places given, the less they hide? Hmm, this is interesting. I see them nipping at the bottom of the tank. But unlikely there is food cos most time, the neons would finish them off when the pellets were still floating.




    So it is ok they go without food for days? 4 days now with no food. Will they swim up like the neons to snatch for food? Or are they so timid that they will wait patiently for the food pellets to fall. Chances are very slim cos the neons will give very little chance for it to happen.

    My previous experience with them is that they will swim up to get their food as well, they will learn too... so no worry, sometime what I'll do is when I sprinkle food on the water surface stir abit of the water surface to get the food sink. This way they are able to get food as well.

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    My rams still don't swim up. 2 gone already. Left one. Seperate the ram into another tank. Feed with pellets that can sink down. Still refuse to eat. WHY?
    Last edited by Wackytpt; 25th Sep 2009 at 22:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stitch View Post
    My rams still don't swim up. 2 gone already. Left one. Seperate the ram into another tank. Feed with pellets that can sink down. Still refuse to eat. WHY?
    Do check out your water condition. 1 interesting fact about rams is that they will either die a few days after you bought them or they will be the toughest in the tank.They are very sensitive to water condition,once it is used to the water condition they thrive. I have even tried to keep them at sump tank before.
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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Now i seperate the Ram into a smaller container so that I can change the water more regularly with dechlorinated water. Hopefully he learns how to eat. Sigh.

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Agree with mictok. They are sensitive to change in water condition. They are sensitive species. Is your setup new ? They do better in older setup because water is softer and more acidic for obvious reason.

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    I bought some worms today. Finally it ate. So pampered, this fish. Dont eat dried food.
    Last edited by Stitch; 28th Sep 2009 at 21:10.

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    They can be tuned. No worry. Always feed the same time every day, and drop food at the same spot. Once they are more steady (zai) they will take any food

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Worms all died yesterday.
    No choice have to go back to dried food.
    Again, the bad habit is here. It can see the pellets fall in front of its eyes and yet not want to eat the food.

    I think this fish only eat live food. Saw it chasing after an ant crawling outside the tank.

    When will this fish become more zai and not so choosy with its food? Sigh.

    Quote Originally Posted by barmby View Post
    They can be tuned. No worry. Always feed the same time every day, and drop food at the same spot. Once they are more steady (zai) they will take any food
    Last edited by Stitch; 28th Sep 2009 at 21:31.

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Try to change other brands of food. If not, there is always frozen bloodworms that cost less then a dollar for a pack of 24 cubes. 24? i think its 24, or was it 20?...
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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Add more hiding places for them. They will like it and be 'zai' soon

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Got some fish flakes from my friend. Also dont want eat.

    Quote Originally Posted by genes View Post
    Try to change other brands of food. If not, there is always frozen bloodworms that cost less then a dollar for a pack of 24 cubes. 24? i think its 24, or was it 20?...

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Has anyone successfully coax a Ram to eat pellets? How did you do it?
    The Ram can put the sinking pellets in its mouth and then phew it all out.

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    If your fish are accustomed to live or frozen food, it is difficult to make them eat dried food no matter how you try.
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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Meaning even if they are starved for days they will not eat too?

    If so, besides tubiflex worms, brine shrimps, what else can be food for the rams?
    I dont like to feed with worms as they are really torublesome and spoil easily. The smell is unbearable.

    Quote Originally Posted by stormhawk View Post
    If your fish are accustomed to live or frozen food, it is difficult to make them eat dried food no matter how you try.

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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Yes, especially if they dislike dry food. It's not easy to make them think of those types of sinking pellet as food, unless you have other dither fish in the tank like tetras, that will feed like crazy on them. The Rams tend to "learn" from watching the other fish.

    For live foods other than brine shrimp and tubifex worms (not recommended), you can try daphnia. Frozen foods, stick with bloodworm and Mysis, since some other guys have had no problems getting their fish to eat the Mysis.

    Other people have no problem in getting their fish to eat NLS pellets. Perhaps you can give those a try if you don't mind.
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    Re: Newbie- Question on Holland Rams

    Hey,

    Just to share my experience with my ram.

    I feed him with Tetra Pro Colour and he seems to eat them just fine. But i guess it might be true that they learn from other fishes though mine started eating the next day after introduced into the tank. probably learned from my cardinals as the previous bro mentioned. though he does wait for the food to sink before eating them

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