Wild red lin

[ruyle]

Took me awhile to find Erik's post but here's the link to a very good pic
of a wild red male:
http://zoonen.com/perzoonen/galleri....043&qid=178341

It's in the "Nagra killis" album...

Bill

[erikthur]

Hello Bill,
I find those images in the link above slightly familiar.
But I am not sure about the connection here.
Please, fill me in.
Erik

[stormhawk]

Hi Erik,

Bill was trying to show some images of the type of lineatus that he's looking for. I'm sourcing for some on his behalf.

Bill, the lineatus I found is the wild-type form with tiger stripes and only red markings to the caudal and anal fin, and some yellow on the body.

[stormhawk]

Hi Bill, this was what I found at the shops.



Photo from killis.drpez.com

[hwchoy]

Jian Yang, looks quite different from those "golden panchax" huh? is this what a wild A. lineatus would look like?

[ruyle]

Hello Bill,
I find those images in the link above slightly familiar.
But I am not sure about the connection here.
Please, fill me in.
Erik

Erik, sorry, it just occurred to me that it would have been nice to ask your
permission to repost your link. You have what I consider PRIME wild
specimens of Aplocheilus lineatus. Yours looks exactly like those
pictured in Hellner's book: lots of red in the caudal and anal fins. You
don't see those in the hobby that much, everything has gone to gold or
has been diluted by the gold strain

Jianyang, Choy, and Au, that which is pictured is certainly better than
what I've seen over here. If you look at Erik's pics, you will see, though,
some dilution in the SG fish. Or perhaps they develop more red as they mature(?)
The flanks of the wild strain are predominantly silvery in color, with faint dark stripes,
and much more red, like Erik's. That of course, doesn't mean
I wouldn't want what you've pictured. If you're able to get some
of these, I will certainly take them, LMK cost of shipping, etc

Thanks, fellas, much appreciated,

Bill

[erikthur]

It is OK - I was just so surprised when clicking at the link above.
Please enjoy my vacation in the Philippines by the way.
But I would like to point out that the following three images is of the same individual fish at different age:
http://zoonen.com/perzoonen/visabild.asp?oid=179609#
http://zoonen.com/perzoonen/visabild.asp?oid=195408#
http://zoonen.com/perzoonen/visabild.asp?oid=358729#
It is a fish commercially bred and the breeding has resulted in no tendency to be a jumper at all. Selected breeding probably not attended but self-serviced so to speak.

[stormhawk]

Hi Bill,

Yes I've seen a redder form but with quite abit of gold on the flanks as well. It is similar to the fish in Stephan Boulet's pictures on Everett Talavera's LIN website. Let me see if I come across them the next time I drop by at another LFS that still has them.

These are not the fully gold form but with quite alot of red in the anal and caudal fins. The fully gold strain isn't too popular.

Hi Erik,

Yes I agree, the selective breeding probably occurred naturally since all the jumpers would have been crispies by now.

[ruyle]

It is OK - I was just so surprised when clicking at the link above.
Please enjoy my vacation in the Philippines by the way.

Erik, when I opened the link off the old post of Epiplatys specie? it just
had pics of the lineatus. Checking the link when I posted it had all these
other albums where I had to search for the photos, and yes, I did look at some of
your PI photos--looks like you all had a great time! I guess I could paste up some
pics of Phuket where my wife and I honeymooned in '99 in my Smugmug account
and post the link
That is one thing that bothers me about those sites: all your albums are available
for perusal once you link to them Never made it to PI, BTW, and since my wife is Thai,
our travels will be elsewhere

Thanks for your understanding, and the last photo you posted: do the
males still keep the red coloration in later generations?

Regards,

Bill

[nonamethefish]

Thought I'd pop in on this-but has anyone seen lineatus that look like the male shown in Axelrods books? (I'm looking at -Exotic Tropical Fishes expanded edition-)

[ruyle]

Thought I'd pop in on this-but has anyone seen lineatus that look like the male shown in Axelrods books? (I'm looking at -Exotic Tropical Fishes expanded edition-)

Joseph, unfortunately I don't have the Axelrod books, but if you have
Hellner's Killifish as well, do they differ in appearance?

Bill

[keehoe]

Can anyone give a bit of history about this species? I remember seeing some document over internet that this fish were the result of crossing two species. The orginal wild fish have some green and red colour and by crossing they manage to breed a pure gold colour species code name "golden wonder".
(I was searching for information on golden wonder. As it looks "wealthy" especially for occation such as Chinese New Year).

[erikthur]

Thanks for your understanding, and the last photo you posted: do the
males still keep the red coloration in later generations?

About my album - I was just amused - if you publish something on the internet you have to expect that everybody can access it.
About the male. I got a lot of fish from him but now he is just a pretty widower. I am sorry that I cannot remember if the younger fish kept the coloration or not.
Regards, Erik

[stormhawk]

Hi Kee Hoe,

The gold form was selectively bred from fish that had shown an excessive gold colouration on the body. This was done in Germany at first. The initial stocks were released into the market and afterwards some appeared in Singapore from where they were then fully released for sale throughout the world. This was when they were given the name Golden Wonder Killie.

It is not a hybrid form but a selectively bred form of the wild lineatus panchax.

The red form is another variant from the wild form in which males will show extra reddish colouration in the anal and caudal fin.

The wild form is a very plain fish with several thin stripes on the flanks, a basal spot on the dorsal fin (in females) and two thin red lines on the upper and lower margins of the caudal and anal fins. I've posted the picture in an earlier post. This was what I found at the shops recently.

Below is a picture of a beautifully coloured wild pair from India. I'm not sure if you can find such beautiful fish in the trade.



Photo from http://www.networksplus.net/maxmush

[nonamethefish]

Stormhawk:

You just found the picture that I have been drooling at in Axelrods book! If only we could get some wild lineatus.

[stormhawk]

Hello Joseph,

Haha I didn't know it was what you were looking for. This was the most beautifully coloured pair of lineatus I saw in pictures.

I'm on the lookout for the wild types but will have to wait a little longer. There should be the red and gold forms running around though.

[ruyle]

Below is a picture of a beautifully coloured wild pair from India. I'm not sure if you can find such beautiful fish in the trade.

Jianyang, that is the same photo that is in the Hellner book. The gold
highlights may be from the lighting used. I had a pair in Maine that I got
from Allen Boatman that had the red in the caudal and anal fins and were
mottled silver with dark stripes, no gold. I gave them to a Maine friend who
was after them when I moved, and they've since passed on with no babies
Erik's pics are the closest I've seen to the picture you've posted. Yeah,
they are probably as hard to get as the red ANN Wright is after!

Bill

[stormhawk]

The red-finned ANN are alive and well somewhere in Europe though I bet those breeders are pretty reluctant to release them.

The LIN however is usually available in the gold form. Some of the wild-type "tiger" LIN also show slight gold highlights.

Let me see what I can find when I do go to the shops again.

[keehoe]

Hahahaha, Didn't know that Wright is after the Red Annulatus too. Looks like i have to be nice to Wright. Hopefully once he got that can migrate some to Singapore. I have to admit that he has better chance in getting that than me.

The problem that i have with LIN in LFS is they are usually not well kept. The colour doesn't show up like what it suppose to. I remember one of the near by LFS has that. The fading imaging in my mind shows that it was very much gold with dark tail and a bit of red near anal fin.

I will check that out when i got home. They were selling a dollar each but not sure whether is pair. Perhaps if someone can show me photo of female.....

[stormhawk]

The picture that I posted earlier and was taken from killis.drpez.com is that of a female Aplocheilus lineatus.

Males lack the spot at the base of the dorsal fin and have generally better colouring and longer pelvic fins. Females have short but pointed pelvic fins.