question on taiwan moss

[tranquillizer]

is taiwan moss the same as christmas moss ?
does this moss require C02 ?
wad can be done to enhance its colour ?

[shihyong]

is taiwan moss the same as christmas moss ?
No, looks similar but different in size. Christmas is bigger.

does this moss require C02 ?
Good to have.

wad can be done to enhance its colour ?
low temp (25C) +CO2+ Light

Good site to refer to :
http://www.killies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1087

[taz_boy]

i would say any temp below 28degree would be good....25degree??hmmmm..think only achievable with the help of chiller.....

now i'm waiting for my erect moss to grow.....

[rocketshrimp]

Taiwan moss if you view from the side is very flat. Taiwan moss also has a more pointy look. the shoots are also very fine toothed.

Xmas moss if you look from the side is thicker. the shoots are rough and bushy. Hence the name Xmas.

HDB moss is often confused with Xmas and Taiwan moss.
HDB moss looks like Xmas moss but is shorter. (Actually of all the mosses that I have, I don't have this!...:P, anyone willing to pass/sell me some?

All three shows triangular shape

Easy to identify mosses are
1. Java moss long straight strands...but in good condition, can develop triangular shape.
2. Erect moss - grows upright, very obvious. Need strong light.
3. Stringy moss - long and stringy. In strong light and ferts, the fronds can be thorny like. Also very obvious.
4. Giant moss - in good condition, will grow long and large with big fronds.
5. Bubble moss - the fronds are like bubbles. (roundish shape)
6. Willow moss - the fronds are tulip like. Very unusual.
7. Weeping moss - the fronds are dropely and short. Quite obvious too. GenX sells another type that they call mini moss...but I have since "proven" that they are the same. I bought both and now they are exactly alike in my tank.

Budak once show me an url
http://sea.nus.edu.sg/aquatic-mosses.pdf

Some good info in this.

Mosses are trickly to identify as they have the ability to look very different under different water condition and different temp and lighting. To add to the difficulty, LFS are always mis-naming them. Some popular places like NA sells "mini moss" and taiwan moss. Be careful, for they are not.

[tranquillizer]

wow.. i only know java xmas existed.. haha well new thing everyday.. thanks bros for the details. hmm.. 2 more questions.
will liquid C02 do the job ?
how to grow moss on diftwood without using fishing line ? i remembered a bro recommending this method of partially submerging the moss atop of diftwood and put it under the sun for 2wks. each time roughly an hour or 2.. i have forgotten about the right way.. this is roughly wad i remembered. any comments ?

[rocketshrimp]

Liquid CO2? Is this some new product that you pour in the liquid form to get CO2? Not sure about this...never heard b4.

Anyway, CO2 to keep moss well is a must. However, if you are keeping easy to keep mosses like java, taiwan, you can do it in a low tech tank w/o too much light and CO2. They should do nicely. Xmas/Erect moss are very slow grower and without good light, you won't see much growth. If you have a high light tank, you must have CO2 for the moss to do well. In some people's opinion, if the moss turns brown, it is due to the lack of co2. I quite believe it from my observation.

To tie moss, the submerging/put in the sun method, to be honest, I have not tried b4. But if you are typing moss to dw, using fishing line is fine (that's what I do). Use a thin transparent one so that it will not stand out like sore thumb in the tank. After the moss has grown, you won't see it.

[tranquillizer]

ah.. currently have a 72 watts and a 2ft tank awaiting my decision on the type of moss.. not planning to have C02 injection for the time being.. oh man.. tt leaves me with nth.. personally used the fishing line tying method before but guess i just have to be lil patient for the moss to grow..

[shihyong]

will liquid C02 do the job ?
Saw tablet/liquid CO2 in LFS, it should works for temporary solution in small tanks. CO2 tanks should be more economical for long run.

how to grow moss on diftwood without using fishing line ? i remembered a bro recommending this method of partially submerging the moss atop of diftwood and put it under the sun for 2wks. each time roughly an hour or 2.. i have forgotten about the right way.. this is roughly wad i remembered. any comments ?
Basically, you do not really need to tie the moss on drifwood, after certain time of period (depends on the setting of your tank), the moss will grow and stick on the drifwood. The purpose to tie the moss is to avoid them from moving around in the tank due to water flow/fish or shrimps disturbance/etc.

[shihyong]

i would say any temp below 28degree would be good....25degree??hmmmm..think only achievable with the help of chiller.....

now i'm waiting for my erect moss to grow.....

yah, in Singapore, 25C only achivable with chiller/ air conditional room.

[taz_boy]

liquid co2...i think u refering to those Nutrafin type of liquid co2, but dun pour into the tank horz

i think it's gonna spend u more $$ if u invest in liquid co2 or tablet co2.....
so might as well buy a presurised CO2, or like me no $$, start with DIY 1st...good lehz.....

i agree with rocket, co2 is definitly needed for mosses like erect moss, cos i planting erect moss on my DW now...
i'm only like having 2WPg, and 16-24ppm, intially, i thought would fail cos i saw a few strands turn brown, but rite now i can see some improvements like some soots growing up (aft 1 mth).

so better start with taiwan moss, relatively easier to grow and looks nice

[taz_boy]

[QUOTE=rocketshrimp]Budak once show me an url
http://sea.nus.edu.sg/aquatic-mosses.pdf

very good link, thanks rocket, MUST TAKE A LOOK friends!!!

[StanChung]

i've been told a slow current and very clean water is desirable for good growth other than low temp, light and co2...
so worthwhile to dust your moss!

i like most of the mosses and was deceived by some lfs which promptly got a nice ringing in their ears...

it's wonderful and some are pretty hard. like erect moss which thanks to tango i own a few precious strands. growing... some bright green shoots...

the link from budak is very interesting le

[k3nni]

my taiwan moss dies off very easily ,i dunno wat's the reason behind it . it have ample light and co2 . but it keeps dying off whenever i transfer it to my current tank . it will be fine if i leave in 1 corner with no co2 ,but the moment i put them in my current planted tank it will dies off .temperature is about 29 to 31 degrees. any 1 can help me with my problem

[taz_boy]

my taiwan moss dies off very easily ,i dunno wat's the reason behind it . it have ample light and co2 . but it keeps dying off whenever i transfer it to my current tank . it will be fine if i leave in 1 corner with no co2 ,but the moment i put them in my current planted tank it will dies off .temperature is about 29 to 31 degrees. any 1 can help me with my problem

obviously the temp is too high.......moss grows well in 28 degree and below...
try get a FAN or DIY one....

[tango]

hi,

My newly grown erect moss



tango

[Justikanz]

Noticed some thing with Java moss, wonder if it is true with all moss... If the temperature is high, moss does not do well or at all, even with CO2, obvious, but if the tank is small, no CO2 or much intervention, it grows, even with high(er) temperatures! Hmm... Will it happen to Taiwan moss too?

[taz_boy]

TAngo, that's nice erect moss.....

mine finally see some growth after 1 month plus....how long u took to reach ur current length??

[tango]

hi taz boy,

it takes about 4-6 week to reach this height;

Direct Lighing, water temp of 25-27 degree, and a systematic way of laying the erect moss on the dw will speed up, or even the moss growth.

never crump your erect moss together - which is applicable for taiwan moss.

Spread them like in a //// manner, follow by another layer of \\\\, spaced at 3mm apart, resulting in a XXXX erect moss grid on the DW. This will ensure even growth of the erect moss throughout the whole DW - no botak patch.


tango

[taz_boy]

hi taz boy,

it takes about 4-6 week to reach this height;

Direct Lighing, water temp of 25-27 degree, and a systematic way of laying the erect moss on the dw will speed up, or even the moss growth.

never crump your erect moss together - which is applicable for taiwan moss.

Spread them like in a //// manner, follow by another layer of \\\\, spaced at 3mm apart, resulting in a XXXX erect moss grid on the DW. This will ensure even growth of the erect moss throughout the whole DW - no botak patch.


tango

oic.....cool, 4-6 weeks, that's real fast compared to mine.....
so just to double check.....means u actaully lay 2 layers,

1st layer.....in a ////// manner,
then second layer overlapping the 1st layer in a \\\\\manner?

[tango]

oic.....cool, 4-6 weeks, that's real fast compared to mine.....
so just to double check.....means u actaully lay 2 layers,

1st layer.....in a ////// manner,
then second layer overlapping the 1st layer in a \\\\\manner?

yes, lay 2 layers, criss-cross with each other. They will be the horizontal base for the new shoots to grow upwards. They will also help to hold each other down, and provide even growth. As for the string, tie it |||| way at a spacing of 3 - 5mm apart.
so moss is /// for layer 1, \\\ for layer 2, follow by ||| for the string.

The laying of erect moss is the most tiring process, spent almost 1 hour for my DW; but once done properly, mother nature will take care of the rest of the work - of course with direct lighting, cool water, generous co2, and nice nutrient (3drops of Lush micro every 2 days, 1 syringe of Aqua every 4 days).

tango