Killifish show in Thailand

**timebomb** · 6th Jul 2005, 20:57

Hi, folks,

A friend who stumbled upon a Killifish show when he visited Bangkok, Thailand over the weekend sent these pictures:

My friend said the show was held in a place called IMPACT convention centre. I must say I'm impressed by the scale and design of the show. I never knew the Killifish scene in Thailand is so active. It makes me feel somewhat ashamed that our Killifish gatherings don't come anywhere close.

Bill wouldn't have anything to worry about when he moves to Thailand later. He probably will have more species of Killies than he can handle.

Loh K L

**stormhawk** · 6th Jul 2005, 20:59

Ah, I noticed the URL in one of the images. www.thaikilliclub.com

It seems Akgarat is heading them. One peculiar thing I realised is how similar the logo for the Thai Killi Club is with the Russians who have their own Killi Club. See this website to see the similarity, www.killi.ru . Do your own comparisons and you'll see the similarity.

**timebomb** · 6th Jul 2005, 21:08

Yes, I can see what you're getting at, Jianyang. The logos are quite similar. I'm surprised Akgarat is the head of the Thai Killi Club. He writes me now and then but has never mentioned the Killifish club, let alone him being the head. Maybe I should bug him for some eggs

Loh K L

**stormhawk** · 6th Jul 2005, 21:50

Glad you caught what I meant KL.

If you visit their site you'll find a list of species that they're holding. Entire list is totally Nothos so I suppose you'll be able to bug Akgarat for some nice Nothos.

Come to think of it, maybe we fellas should have a club website.

**Piscesgirl** · 6th Jul 2005, 23:30

Wow, that's quite impressive looking.

**ruyle** · 7th Jul 2005, 05:36

Originally Posted by timebomb

Bill wouldn't have anything to worry about when he moves to Thailand later. He probably will have more species of Killies than he can handle.

Loh K L

KL, looks like I'd have more Nothos than I'd want

I'll still be sending
over nonannuals to you guys, which are my faves

Bill

**timebomb** · 7th Jul 2005, 20:02

Originally Posted by stormhawk

Come to think of it, maybe we fellas should have a club website.

Jianyang,

How are we going to have a club website if we're not a club in the first place?
Even if we were to ignore the fact that we're not a club, what can we put on the website that isn't already available on the forum? I'm open to suggestions/ideas. If there's a good reason for doing so, I can take away the pages in Killies.com to accomodate new material.

Loh K L

**stormhawk** · 8th Jul 2005, 04:06

Whatever content you have there was done entirely on your own as it started out as a personal website for yourself. The forum is an extension of your website on which our informal grouping is based on. Nonetheless a separate simple website could be done for the group with a link to your page and also to the forum. This could be hosted on Geocities or other free servers. Or, that webpage or webpages (not more than 3 pages) could be hosted under killies.com itself.

Perhaps we could also change the RAC mascot of the forum to the club logo that I did sometime ago. That way we just change the outlook of the forum, without having to disturb your personal pages.

**timebomb** · 10th Jul 2005, 15:01

Jianyang,

It's been a while since I uploaded any new pages to my website. Truth be told, I no longer have the energy to create new pages although I have several projects on the drawing board.

It's not good to use free servers as there's no control. I don't know much how space we have left but I think we have enough to accomodate many more webpages. I can create a new link on the menu bar at killies.com, one that leads to web pages created by hobbyists like yourself. Would that be a good idea?

As for changing the mascot, there's no need to do that if there's a new link in killies.com. You can use the logo you created there.

I have to tell you though, it's been so long since I did anything to my web site I've forgotten how to change the pages. It will take a while before I figure out the whole process. I have to ask my daughter to give me another crash course again.

Loh K L

**joteo** · 11th Jul 2005, 22:06

Sorry for going off-topic.

KL: If you have new content and find it too troublesome to code up the pages, I can do it for you. As long as you are patient between my bouts of notime-notime and too much time.

Jianyang: IMHO, I don't think it's a good idea to dilute an already small group of killie-lovers. There's already a pretty decent crowd here. You can capitalize on it.

**timebomb** · 11th Jul 2005, 22:29

Originally Posted by joteo

KL: If you have new content and find it too troublesome to code up the pages, I can do it for you. As long as you are patient between my bouts of notime-notime and too much time.

I can be very patient when I have to

But do you really want to do this, Joanne? It can be a life-long committment, you know

Please think carefully before you answer, okay? Because if you become my webmaster, I will also make you an administrator here.

Loh K L

**stormhawk** · 11th Jul 2005, 23:11

Originally Posted by joteo

Jianyang: IMHO, I don't think it's a good idea to dilute an already small group of killie-lovers. There's already a pretty decent crowd here. You can capitalize on it.

Joanne, I don't quite catch what you mean. Mind explaining a little?

**joteo** · 13th Jul 2005, 16:51

Originally Posted by timebomb

Originally Posted by joteo

KL: If you have new content and find it too troublesome to code up the pages, I can do it for you. As long as you are patient between my bouts of notime-notime and too much time.

I can be very patient when I have to

But do you really want to do this, Joanne? It can be a life-long committment, you know

Please think carefully before you answer, okay? Because if you become my webmaster, I will also make you an administrator here.

Loh K L

Nay, nay. Not webmaster. Only for the articles that you have on the front page.

You provide the text and pictures. I learn from them while coding them up.

But as I said, you have to be tolerant of my uneven schedule. Already whole of Sept, and from mid Oct to the end of year are fully booked up

I'll be out of town, mainly.

If you make me administrator, you'll be disappointed, because I really can't commit to something like that. I'm no Durai. I like Sundays too much. hahah.

**joteo** · 13th Jul 2005, 17:11

Originally Posted by stormhawk

Originally Posted by joteo

Jianyang: IMHO, I don't think it's a good idea to dilute an already small group of killie-lovers. There's already a pretty decent crowd here. You can capitalize on it.

Joanne, I don't quite catch what you mean. Mind explaining a little?

Let's say the number of subscribers is 1000.

Now:
www.killies.com = 1 website.
All 1000 go to 1 website.

Future:
www.killies.com = 1 website.
Killie club page = 1 website.
Now, 1000 people go to 2 websites.

To me, there'll be a lot of duplication, while diluting the group.

Perhaps you can convince Kwek Leong that this has grown to more than a personal website. :P

Having said that, maybe some people like a club, maybe some people like a casual gathering. And if the two groups cannot come to an agreement, then you will have to split. But if it splits then there'll be fragmentation in resources, in contributions and the like.

I'm sure Kwek Leong will tell you that it's hard - damn hard - to get a community going.

Yes, he can create a link to the club website. But if everything is here already, why will people go over to the club? How different can you make it that you will have the pulling power to start from scratch.

But I'm really too off topic and maybe we need to move this to the chit chat corner or some other forum.

joanne

**timebomb** · 14th Jul 2005, 20:14

Originally Posted by joteo

Perhaps you can convince Kwek Leong that this has grown to more than a personal website. :P

I don't need any convincing, Joanne. Killies.com started off as my personal website but ever since the forum was added, it has grown to become something of an international forum where Killifish keepers and moss lovers gather. I'm aware that certain folks are not comfortable with the fact that I seem to own this forum. I don't. This forum is paid for by contributions from hobbyists from various countries. I can no longer claim it to be my own. I used to sign off as "Site Owner" but I changed it to "administrator" when I no longer pay the webhosting costs from my own pocket. But here's where it gets complicated. I still own the "killies.com" domain name and recently, I paid about a hundred Sing dollars to keep it for another 2 years. So how I can say I don't own this forum when the domain name belongs to me??

I'm in a dilemna. I know it isn't right that I seem to get most of the glory. I can remove my webpages and offer the "killies.com" domain name to anyone or any party who wants to take over the running of this forum but that would mean I have to find a new domain name for the webpages I created. Either that or I take down all my webpages. That would be heart-breaking for me as it took a lot of effort to create those pages from scratch.

So what should I do?

We can get another domain name, say something like "KillifishGroupSingapore.com" and move the forum over there. But it would mean starting from scratch again. I don't think it's a good idea as it took a long time to build up this forum to what it is today. Moving the forum would also mean we will lose many of our members. In any migration, you can bet that a huge percentage of members will not sign up for the new one. The other thing to consider is that besides Killifish, this forum has also gained a reputation as the place where serious moss lovers hang out. A domain name like "KillifishGroupSingapore" would turn the moss lovers elsewhere.

I can't think of any good solutions. If anyone has a good suggestion, please tell me about it.

Loh K L

**whuntley** · 14th Jul 2005, 23:31

Originally Posted by timebomb

snipalot...

I can't think of any good solutions. If anyone has a good suggestion, please tell me about it.

Loh K L

I have tried. You don't care for mine, so that's OK. You already have 90% of the structure of a club, and 120% of the work. You miss the benefits of the club as a way to organize and minimize the load on individual volunteers, and the ability to trade with other clubs as a group instead of the expensive individual purchases you now make.

You have enough expertise to keep the newbies having a modicum of success, and eventually that will reflect in group growth. It may be cyclic, but you can maintain an upward tendency.

I agree that it would be foolish and wasteful to try to run more than one web site for the community that has formed around this great URL. It could be divisive, and would increase work for questionable benefit. I would hate to see the moss and killy aspect split. I probably would choose killies and miss a lot of fascinating discussion and information about a topic where my ignorance is practically criminal. [The mosses, not my ignorance of your culture, which is only profound

]

[BTW, I should go to the plant section and post a pic of the moss(es) I collected up in the Sierras last Friday. Probably willow, but has other "stuff" mixed in.]

Wright

**ruyle** · 15th Jul 2005, 08:43

KL and gang,
I certainly wouldn't want something to happen to this site that would
damage the quality of information we get by visiting here. This whole
site's a clubhouse! And good gosh, KL, you're the founder of www.killies.com
so it is natural that you are synonymous with it! Who cares about who paid what
and ownership?

Bill

**joteo** · 16th Jul 2005, 00:07

I think I was misunderstood.

As a person new to killies, it is nice to have to only go to one place to find reliable information and other people from Singapore all in one place. (Yes, this place has an international crowd but what makes it different is it's got a concentration of locals too.)

As you already know, I came here because of your moss wall article - not even the planted tank forum or the killies.

I agree with the former two posts - which is why I posted that it's not useful for Jianyang to start a new forum.

Kwek Leong, I didn't mean that you should relinquish anything. I was merely suggesting that the whole forum could be part of the club that Jianyang wants to start.

**stormhawk** · 16th Jul 2005, 01:08

Originally Posted by joteo

I agree with the former two posts - which is why I posted that it's not useful for Jianyang to start a new forum.

That's not what I had intended. I did however mention that this forum was to be part of the group's resources, should there ever be one formed.

If KL was to edit his webpage, it would require only simple HTML editing that a program like MS Frontpage could and would be able to do. Even Dreamweaver or any other HTML editing software would be enough.

All I was trying to say is, if the group has a page of its own hosted on this website and ALSO linked to this forum, there is no problem there. We could even be known as the unique group of killi-lovers who love mosses as well, so that's one up for us in the myriad groups of killi nuts all over the world. Now tell me, how divisive would that be?