AUS 'Cape Esterias' EBT96/27

[zmzfam]

I've received these eggs on 11 March 2004


Took a 60x shot of the eggs on 9th day of collection


and this is the Heart beats of the fry inside the egg* also at 60x magnification.

On the day of hatching - 21 March 2004 - was bored so decided to video the hatching process. Hmmm....it seems that they like to play bowling among each other

WARNING : Video is around 5MB.
Fry playing bowling

Photos and videos captured using my sons' Intel QX3 Microscope.

* What's the one word replacement for that phrase?

[ruyle]

What's the one word replacement for that phrase?

It is "embryo"--great photos!

Bill
farang9

[zmzfam]

It is "embryo"

Thanks Bill. Sometimes word(s) just escape you when you want to use it.

[turaco]

Zul,

That was interesting. Should add in sound effect. Bonk!

Gan.

[RonWill]

Hey Zul, it looks like we'll be able to get the 'Cape Esterias' going locally. I'm raising 12 frys, how about you? Just make sure you hide the fry when you're expecting guests... especially those with oily little fingers!! :wink:

The eggs you received on 11th March, I suppose that's on peat right? Any idea when these were collected?

Reason I'm asking, is to get a better idea of time taken for peat incubation. I've been incubating mops all this while... and running out of yarn!

Amongst our local boys, who else is doing the 'Cape Esterias'? Let me know, so we can swap sexes... urm, I'm not talking orgies, ok?

Also, what about the AUS 'Cape Gentil' BSWG 97/24... anybody? I backtracked on our mass egg-order and recall Jesper getting it. Rong Sheng, if you're still with us... any update?

For the Intel QX3 Microscope, did you get that locally? I understand that pic quality is so-so, but adequate for occasional close-ups and to satisfy curiousity.

I have some paramecium culture going. Do you think the QX3 will do the job for shooting tiny organisms like rotifers, cyclops and paramecium?

[zmzfam]

... especially those with oily little fingers!! :wink:

Hehehe....nowadays I put them high up on my Ikea rack...

The eggs you received on 11th March, I suppose that's on peat right? Any idea when these were collected?

Collection date on 6 march 2004. Wetted them on 21 March 2004 after viewing them on the scope for any eye-up. That's 15 days of incubation - 10 days at local ambient temperature inside a dark ice-cream container.
Took a risk as I was quite busy to entertain to some of the eggs that I ordered.
At wetting time, I picked out all the visible eggs on the peat and put them inside a petri dish - hence the hatching video. (also itchy to find out how they really hatch and to show my kids )

... urm, I'm not talking orgies, ok?

We all know Ronnie is a good boy and knows what he is talking about..

[zmzfam]

For the Intel QX3 Microscope, did you get that locally? I understand that pic quality is so-so, but adequate for occasional close-ups and to satisfy curiousity.

I got it locally at Sim Lim Square abt 2 years ago - I think. Well, for that kind of price you've got to live with the pic quality. Reason I got the QX3 was for my kids to actually see minute things really close up - now it is more like the killies eggs, embryo heart beating etc etc.

I have some paramecium culture going. Do you think the QX3 will do the job for shooting tiny organisms like rotifers, cyclops and paramecium?

It won't be sharp as a proper microscope. The QX3 has 10x, 60x and 200x magnification. If it is not micron level, I guess you should be able to see some fairly good pictures. 60x magnification is still fairly ok but I tried the 200x magnification to video the beating heart but the pic quality sucks - can't focus properly.
Last year PC show I saw an impressive computer microscope, very sharp pictures but the cost is way past my budget - around $1k

[RonWill]

Zul, were the eggs dispatched via regular Air mail or Fedex? From your figures, peat incubation is about 2 wks, but were all the eggs eyed-up or are there still clear resting eggs? What's the hatch-rate like?... xx fry count out of xx eggs.

With eggs that I used to collect from my previous AUS Chocolate line, water incubation varies between 7~14 days. The 1st fry normally appear on the 7th day and most will hatch by the 12th.

If I'm short on mops, these eggs-in-mop have a 20-day deadline before I zap 'em in the microwave on 'High setting' for 10 mins... that's my insurance against stowaways!

Together with the 'Cape Esterias', what else did you get?

[zmzfam]

The eggs were dispatched via FedEx - since all that I ordered were non-annuals.

The 'Cape Esterias' eggs that I picked from the peat were all eyed-up. I've got 12 frys (last count as of this post) out of 16 eggs from the peat. Most of the eggs has hatched - remember my video? - before I pour everything (frys and unhatched eggs) - into a container of water with java moss.

7-14 days are also the water incubation period I've experienced with my AUS Orange - but for my case I picked the eggs from the mop and put into a small container of water. I had wanted to try peat incubation but never get around to doing it.

Together with the 'Cape Esterias', what else did you get?

Ronnie, you are one curious cat and you did read between the lines. Actually, this is a sort of a revenge story. Here's my order list :

AUS 'Cape Esterias' EBT96/27
Rivulus agilae 'Mont de Mahury
Rivulus derhami 'Tingo Marie'
Rivulus cylindraceus 'Al Castro' strain
Aphyosemion exigoudeum 'Ngoudoufola'
Fundulopanchax gardneri nigerianus 'Makurdi'
Fundulopanchax gardneri nigerianus 'Misaje'

I've got the best hatch from the 'Al Castro' - 12 out of 12.
The Rivulus agilae are growing well - I've wetted them on the 14 March 2004.

[timebomb]

Also, what about the AUS 'Cape Gentil' BSWG 97/24... anybody?

I think I have about 10 juveniles, Ronnie. Bill gave the eggs to me. I'm afraid I've been quite out of touch with Killies recently so I'm not sure if mine are from Cape Gentil but the name that Bill wrote on the petri dish has the letters BSWG. What do they stand for?

Actually, this is a sort of a revenge story.

Wow, Zul, that's some revenge story. Looking at your list, it seems like you're really out on a vengeance. But its great more people are actively bringing in killifish eggs on their own. I think we should upgrade you from a serious hobbyist to very serious hobbyist :smile:.

Loh K L

[zmzfam]

I think we should upgrade you from a serious hobbyist to very serious hobbyist

I'm pretty dead serious this time. The next thing to do is how to convince my wife I need more tanks.

[RonWill]

Wow! that's a list of very nice killies! Please do update us on the hatch rate because I'm sure there're 'fence-sitters' amongst us who're waiting for the next mass order.

Do monitor their growth rate as well, esp the RIVs, because my Riv XIP is growing terribly slow... slower than any BIT I know! That shouldn't be the case as RIVs are annuals, I think (heck! I'm a Aphyo guy :wink: ).

The 'Cape Esterias' eggs that I picked from the peat were all eyed-up. I've got 12 frys (last count as of this post) out of 16 eggs from the peat. Most of the eggs has hatched - remember my video?

I'm on dialup and haven't gotten round to download the movie... maybe later.

- before I pour everything (frys and unhatched eggs) - into a container of water with java moss.

urm... why would you wanna dump in the eggs as well? Are you running out of containers too? I can understand that situ because I recently bought one lot of 60 square containers and have already used 40 of them... On the brighter side, everything looks more organised.

you are one curious cat and you did read between the lines. Actually, this is a sort of a revenge story.

That, I am! Curiousity is my middle name (and I think I need another 9 lives!). I don't understand the 'revenge story' part... what's that?

I've got the best hatch from the 'Al Castro' - 12 out of 12.
The Rivulus agilae are growing well - I've wetted them on the 14 March 2004.

I don't have good fingers with RIVs. Perhaps you'd like to start off another thread for this batch and followup as needed?

I'm pretty dead serious this time. The next thing to do is how to convince my wife I need more tanks.

That would be easy! Just bring her & the kids around to my place more often... I can pass you more fishes... automatically, the tanks will follow. No need to convince!

[RonWill]

Wow, Zul, that's some revenge story. Looking at your list, it seems like you're really out on a vengeance.

see.... told 'ya that the 3-specie/person doesn't work, but I'm glad that Zul is feeling 'revengful'... whatever that means :wink:

Kwek Leong, I've no idea what BSWG means Looks like I'll be posting to KillieTalk. Will update the folks here too, but haven't you counted the fry lately?

[zmzfam]

Please do update us on the hatch rate because I'm sure there're 'fence-sitters' amongst us who're waiting for the next mass order.

Will do once I got all the data organised.

Do monitor their growth rate as well, esp the RIVs, because my Riv XIP is growing terribly slow... slower than any BIT I know! That shouldn't be the case as RIVs are annuals, I think (heck! I'm a Aphyo guy :wink: ).

Did you read This. Your XIP are slow growers! The RIVs I ordered are all non-annuals, including your XIP.

I'm on dialup and haven't gotten round to download the movie... maybe later.

Yeah..forgot about that.

urm... why would you wanna dump in the eggs as well?

They are all eyed-up and I was just holding them in a small petri dish - furthermore like out of 16 eggs 10 has hatched, so just dump them together.

I don't understand the 'revenge story' part... what's that?

Remember my festivity incident? Sort of depressed after that so this is to show that I can really make it. So far so good. I will update the RIVs on another thread

That would be easy! Just bring her & the kids around to my place more often... I can pass you more fishes... automatically, the tanks will follow. No need to convince!

Will do that but now need to think of the growing out/breeding tanks for these little buggers once they outgrow their containers

[zmzfam]

Kwek Leong, I've no idea what BSWG means

Ok, had some free time on hand so decided to do some searching as I vaguely remembered reading something about collection codes on the internet.
http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/mo.../msg00750.html
The post mentioned that the collection code is assigned by the collector(s) and can include the abbreviation of the country as well as collectors abbreviation.
Coming to the 'BWSG', Read This. The collectors were Thomas Blum, P.Sewer, H.Weder and R.Gluggenbuehl and collected in 1997 - hence BSWG 97.

Hope that helps.

Ronnie, another reason to go on broadband or cable - information comes fast.

[zmzfam]

Ron,

more info about your XIP.

Sexation = 12 weeks
Maturity = 12 months
Lifespan = 2 years

No wonder they are growing real slow

[RonWill]

Also, what about the AUS 'Cape Gentil' BSWG 97/24... anybody? I backtracked on our mass egg-order and recall Jesper getting it. Rong Sheng, if you're still with us... any update?

Hi all,
I'd like to point out a mistake I made in reference to the BSWG. It should have been 'Port Gentil', not 'Cape Gentil'.

That info was from a link in your earlier posting;

Coming to the 'BWSG', Read This. The collectors were Thomas Blum, P.Sewer, H.Weder and R.Gluggenbuehl and collected in 1997 - hence BSWG 97.

Anyone else care to confirm that?

[ruyle]

I'd like to point out a mistake I made in reference to the BSWG. It should have been 'Port Gentil', not 'Cape Gentil'.

I was going to correct this awhile back but forgot. "Port Gentil" is nicer, you
can drink port, try drinking a cape

Coming to the 'BWSG', Read This. The collectors were Thomas Blum, P.Sewer, H.Weder and R.Gluggenbuehl and collected in 1997 - hence BSWG 97.

Anyone else care to confirm that?[/quote]

I'll confirm that, I was wrong in thinking it was an acronym to an African location. With a name like "P. Sewer" I'd entertain having a lawyer do a legal name change :wink: Good job, Ronnie!

Bill
farang9

[killifishdavid]

Bill,
Your translation of the collection code for the AUS Port Gentil is correct!!

[ruyle]

David, Ronnie did the initial legwork on this, after looking into 3 different
resources, I simply confirmed. :wink:

Bill