Wild Moss ID - Need help (with update)

[hotbucket06]

Hi All,

I just went for an aquatic plant wild hunt near a river in Kedah, Malaysia. I was unable to identify some of the species I collected, also I am not sure whether they are able to convert from emerse to submerse form.
Please see the picture below :

BTW, I am new to this forum .

1) This is the one I most curious of, is this the one so call "rose moss" in some Taiwan/China forum? what is it's scientific name, will it able to grow submerse ?



2) Is this a kind of Pelia ?


3) Collected from river bank, could be Singapore moss ?


4) This is a weird plant, it's shape is exactly like a mini tree and it grow on a rotten wood beside the river


5)



6)


7) Fissdens ....species ?

[timebomb]

Welcome to the forum, Hotbucket. I'm sure that's not your real name. You aren't used to the culture here so I won't hold it against you but please take note that we will appreciate it very much if you sign off your posts with your real name. Thank you.

I have not heard of a Rose Moss. It's hard to identify mosses from pictures alone. The second plant in your post could probably be a Liverwort but it's highly unlikely to be another species of Pellia. I don't know about the other mosses but I'm pretty sure Moss number 6 is a Leucobryum sp. It's common to many parts of the world and can be found growing in patches on the ground, particularly in areas where there is shade. The moss is so common it has a common name - White Moss. I think, looking at your picture, it's easy to understand why they gave it such a name.

If you want the mosses identified, you can send samples to me. But I would prefer that you try and grow them in your tanks first. Mosses that cannot stay alive under water serve little interest to us and frankly, I really don't want to burden the professor to examine the same mosses over and over again.

I'll be happy to help you identify those that you can grow successfully in your tanks though.

Loh K L

[hotbucket06]

Hi Loh,

Noted on the signature .
Below are the link which I found the so call 'rose moss" in Chinese . I will try to grow them in my tank first but it seems like they are already sold in some oversea LFS.

http://www.guppytaiwan.com/redirect....&goto=lastpost

http://www.aqugrass.com/phpBB2/viewt...e67bb75b60c67c

[hotbucket06]

The "rose moss" on picture No.1 is start to grow new leaf after putting in my tank for about 2 weeks. I tie it to a small piece of flat wood like fissidens.

Are they converting to submerse form or it just an illlusion of my eye ?

[testaccount]

Dear Chris and Loh,
i think the first moss looks like "Plagiomnium" (Plagiomnium affine), here is another pic from it.
There are many kinds of Plagiomnium and not all of them grows submersed, "affine" does, but very slow.

Your pic no. 3 looks like an moss i´ve gotten from Indonesia in the last weeks, it has also the dark-brown middle, but no further informations...




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René

[propor]

I don't think that a moss from photo 1. is Plagiomnium affine.
I don't think that it is another moss from this genus.
But at lasts pictures we can see propably P.affine.
I and zobek, and severall moss growers in Poland have tried to grow P. affine in aquarium, but with no success. This moss is common in Poland .
It seems that it grow, but new form of grow looks bad, and after two-three months all fronds will disappeare.
We have tried severall species of genus plagiomnium which we can find in Poland in wild - unfortunately they don't grow in aquarium.
It is not good message - theese are beautiful mosses - but you can try again.

About liverwort from photo 2. - it is propably liverwort from genus riccardia ( the same genus like Mini pellia - Riccardia chamedryfolia) - it can be even exactly Mini pellia from wild.

If moss from picture 6. is Leucobryum glaucum or L. albicans, I can say that theese species don't grow submersely.

I think that we can't be sure that moss from pictures 7. is Fissidens sp.


Sorry about my embarrassing english .

[hotbucket06]

Hi guys,

Thanks for helping to identify the moss . Here is some update on the growing of the "rose moss" in my tank. It had been in my tank for exactly 5 weeks time.

1) The rose moss tied on the flat wood had grown with many new leaves. I will need to wait longer to compare whether it's final shape will be same as the emersed form or not.


2) Same goes to another piece of wood




3) This is the Mini-Pelia shaped plant I tied on a piece of rock and it had start growing.

[timebomb]

Chris, if you don't mind me saying,

You called it "Rose Moss" but you are not sure if it's the same "Rose Moss" that is talked about in some Taiwan/China forums. Right? If that's the case, I would suggest you stop using the "Rose Moss" name until you're sure it's the same moss. This is because it will only cause more confusion if it turns out later that your Rose Moss is another moss altogether.

By the way, I'll be taking the sample that you sent to the professor soon, probably sometime next week.

Loh K L

[hotbucket06]

Hi Loh,

Thanks for the reminder. I am the member of some China, Taiwan & Hong Kong aquatic forums. So far I find out there is no standard name for the moss in Chinese, even for the species which we already had a well known "common English name". For example the weeping moss is called "pearl moss" or " "Mini triangle pearl moss" depend on forum location.

Check out this link http://www.leoaqua.com/bryophytes7.html
There is a moss which look very similiar to the one I had and it is called "spiral moss" in Chinese.

By the way, how was the condition of the sample when you received it ? Is it able to grow in your tank ? I am also curious to know what species it belong to.

[timebomb]

By the way, how was the condition of the sample when you received it ?

The moss was in good condition when it arrived, Chris. I have not tried growing it in my tanks yet. Usually, I'll let the professor examine it first. After that, I'll probably give it to Bioplast fish shop.

Loh K L