Mikhail's Apistogramma uaupesi

[mikhail]

Just wanted to share some photos of my Apistogramma elizabethae "Incana" which I acquired from a fellow AQ bro not so long ago. I got it as juvenile 2 cm with round tail. Now after about 1.5 months of care, it's already around 3+ cm and now having an elegant lyrate tail. The color pattern is a bit interesting. Most elizabethae that I see on photos have the red at face/belly and half of the caudal tail (Tucano variant I guess... I have not seen an Incana). This one is at the mouth area, tips of dorsal/ventral fins and at middle portion of the tail (red mark in spade shape). Maybe, my fish is still young and still morphing... I understand that elizabethae's tail will change to spade shape once it reaches the full adult maturity. Anyway, I like this fish a lot . Nowadays, it flares even more frequent that my ap. bitaeniata.

[marle]

The finnage is awesome. You are keeping your Bit and Elizabethae in the same tank?

[illumnae]

Maybe it's just me...but the tail and finnage on that fella makes me think of rotkeil/uaupesi instead of elizabethae...

[leeruisheng]

Agree with illumnae. Definitely not elizabethae.

[doppelbanddwarf]

I agree. It is missing some features of A. elizabethae such as an extended dorsal fin. Also the body shape just doesn't look like that of an A.elizabethae.

[riltz]

hi i think it may be a pacquamis? definitely not an elizabathae.

[barmby]

It does not look like Elizabethae to me also.

[barmby]

I took Telecredibles's A.E.Icana as reference:

[tcy81]

Elizabethe's top finnage is pointed.
You can refer to below photo for reference.

[joopsg]

It is a A.Uaupesi sp 'Rotkeil'.
Where do you guys get your fishes?
Saw quite a number of wrong ID already.
Please do some homework before getting the fish.
It is just that the price to be paid for the fish make a difference.
Now recession so what you pay must be what you want.

Uaupesi are very well known for their sail- like dorsal and superb looking caudal fin.

[JL23]

Look like aa AP Gibbiceps to me...but I don't think AP Gibbiceps got red varaint.

[illumnae]

cool i got the right ID. sorry that you didn't get the fish you wanted mikhail. But it's a great fish nonetheless with lovely colouration and finnage!

Where did you get it from? I agree with Henry...lately got a few fishes that were sold wrongly IDed.

[barmby]

I think Mikhail's fishes are from biotope. It is the supplier. Not the fish shop. Suppliers may id wrong. Even the recent Pleco nuggets were L-ed all over the places at 328

[mobile2007]

Still a very wonderful fish even if it confirmed to be a non-eliz.

I think he mentioned he got it from a fellow AQer ?

[mikhail]

Hi bros, I know that this thread will spur a lot of feedback from you guys. I too also observed the difference and now convinced that this fish is not elizabethae. Thanks for all your confirmation. Before posting, I am already suspecting this to be Apistogramma uaupesi as I saw one photo of uaupesi with the similar red markings on the tail in Mergus Cichlid Atlas I. My intension of posting is to verify my doubts and I succeeded in doing so.

It's disappointing, yes. I was told that the fish is an elizabethae, but did not turn out to be. I purchased the fish when it was still small and it's very difficult to ID at that stage. So I trusted the supplier. I guess that's the risk of getting young ones.

To answer most of the questions - where I got it? Yes, from AQ-er but I will not be mentioning who. It's improper. He too might be mis-ID also by his supplier and I don't know the story behind. If he is seeing this post, it would be good to hear from him through PM.

Anyway, I still like this fish a lot and probably continue to keep it even if the supplier ask for a replacement.

PS: Hi marle, this fish shares tank with my bit but I have a divider to keep them apart. So far, no issues.

Cheers!

[illumnae]

Nonetheless,you got a very nice fish Glad that you do not mind that it's a different species from what you originally wanted

[iwishweallcouldwin]

Hey,

It is a fine specimen of Apistogramma Uaupesi 'Rotkeil'! I used to own a pair which looks just like yours. Your nice pictures brings back memories for me!

In my humble opinion, its an even better buy than an Apistogramma Elizabethae 'Incana', but guys please don't stone me for saying this! I love both variants very very much, just that in my opinion its really more rare to own a pair of nice A. uaupesi these days as compared to good old elizabethaes.

Whoever the seller is, don't need to get too offended, I believe its common to mis-id the fish especially when they are juveniles. Anyway I don't think there's too huge a gap in pricing as well. Besides, look at your results!

Enjoy your fishes! Really love your pair and thanks for sharing!

[joopsg]

I am a lover for Apistogramma uaupesi also.
I love their sail fin.

[genes]

This is wrong "Apistogramma Uaupesi 'Rotkeil", "A.Uaupesi sp 'Rotkeil'". No such fish.
Its either A. sp. "Rotkeil"/"Red-wedge" or A. uaupesi. Both have now been identified as the same species.

Unless you bought them as fries. say less then 1cm size, its should be rather easy to differentiate a male A. uaupesi to a male A. elizabethae. The first dead give away would be as someone mentioned, the sail like dorsal fin. I do not think its young and still morphing. It looks very adult to me already. I hope you have a female for him. If not i think biotope should have some F1s for sale. It would be such a pity not to breed them cause this male its superb looking! Plus is very rare in local market.

[iwishweallcouldwin]

The pro has spoken. I only remember the pair that I used to own being labeled as something "Rotkeil". Checked out rva and they still had pictures of "Apistogramma Uaupesi 'Rotkeil" so I followed suit. My bad.