Green Tree Frog

[dkk08]

this is the reply from Ms Janice Yap of AVA

Ornamental frogs can only be imported through a licensed fish importer. As such, we regret to inform you that you are not allowed to import the frogs by yourself. For more information, please refer to the following link:- http://www.ava.gov.sg/AnimalsPetSect...rnamentalFish/

[wattovader]

What do ask the AVA?

[dkk08]

What do ask the AVA?

if u're asking what I asked AVA, the following is what I asked...

I would like to find out if we can obtain approval to import Green tree frog (Litoria caerulea) as our personal pets? If yes how can we go about doing it? Please advise. Thanks!

[zoothefreak]

Erm... so no one placed this on the marketplace yet??? Or anyone in close contact with QH?

[wattovader]

Recently emailed Qianhu regarding gtf and ask about if they will bring in again.
The following is their repy:

"Thank you for your enquiry for the Green Tree frog. We did brought in the
green tree frog a few years ago but the response was very poor. We have not
bring them in since.

We did contacted our supplier for them from the previous enquiry also
looking for these frog. The supplier had feedback to us they they are no
longer collecting them. Sorry for the disappoinment.

Best regards"

[dkk08]

Recently emailed Qianhu regarding gtf and ask about if they will bring in again.
The following is their repy:

"Thank you for your enquiry for the Green Tree frog. We did brought in the
green tree frog a few years ago but the response was very poor. We have not
bring them in since.

We did contacted our supplier for them from the previous enquiry also
looking for these frog. The supplier had feedback to us they they are no
longer collecting them. Sorry for the disappoinment.

Best regards"

So when they say "The supplier had feedback to us they they are no
longer collecting them. " means the previous batch of frogs are all wild caught?

[FuEl]

I think response was poor because of the price. They were available even before they were legalized. At much cheaper prices too, as they had been locally bred and had been over supplied. Sadly to say my friend has stopped breeding them as he did not find it profitable back then and I guess many people still believe they can get them at the cheap prices as before. If that mindset has changed and people are willing to pay better pricing for CB frogs, I believe my friend will start breeding them again. What pricing are you all comfortable with? If QH's retail price for the frogs is comfortable with you guys, I can try to talk my friend into breeding them again.

[wattovader]

Actually i already know all or most of the GTF in the pet trade are wild caught.
Especially in the neighbouring countries, most animal are wild caught rather than captive bred.Perhaps only the europe will breed them. Even though after many "decades" of finding out gtf is safe to keep as pet, but we are encouraging wild caught animals. This is so silly and sad!

[FuEl]

These frogs were already bred in SG more than 6-7 years ago.

[wattovader]

I am comfortable with the price, it worth the price. But i think that the response is poor is not beoz of price. But publicity. When gtf is released for sale, not many people know. And perhap people may not know that qianhu is selling unless that they saw. And not many people will go qianhu often compare to other local LFS. Maybe most of the local LFS get their suppies from qianhu. And so when the latter stop importing, the others also stop.

Think few yrs back the timing is not right. Am sure the demand of gtf is greater now.

[wattovader]

Sure they are bred or wild? I read from many sites, that gtf is still widely wild caught.
The captive bred market is not establish well yet.

[dkk08]

Sure they are bred or wild? I read from many sites, that gtf is still widely wild caught.
The captive bred market is not establish well yet.

bro wattovader, I can confirm what bro fuel said is accurate regarding the breeding of the white's treefrog locally some years back. There's quite a few of us whom have intentionally/unintentionally breed them in captivity back then.

Anyway I've just spoken to a few of the AVA officers and they're puzzled as they thought QianHu didn't go ahead with that batch of white's treefrog. Hmmm weird as I thought they would know and check on the shipment once they reach Singapore? Anyway that's besides the point.

Actually if you call up AVA and talk to the officers, they're actually nice and friendly folks and if we can do everything according to their regulation I don't see why we cannot have white's treefrogs or other non cites/non endangered animals approved by them. But of course in this case I've confirmed with them that as individuals we cannot import them. Only farms/shops with import/export license and even then they've to approve the sales as well as approve of the importation of frogs.

To alot of farms/shops this might seem like a big hassle to bring in something that can only earn them say 300-400% profit? Imagine you've to create a info leaflet on the care/info of the frog, get it approved by AVA, print them in bulk, inform AVA import/export side of you intention to import the animals, tell them where you're getting them from, AVA need to certify/approve the source, then you can go ahead to get the shipment... don't you think its a long process?

But to folks like us who are passionate about the frogs and our hobby and don't mind doing all this but we're just individuals. So bottom line is, unless you know of anyone farms/shops owner who're willing to help you import and go through this hassle or the other way is to setup a shop yourself.

My long 2 cents

[Fingerling]

But to folks like us who are passionate about the frogs and our hobby and don't mind doing all this but we're just individuals. So bottom line is, unless you know of anyone farms/shops owner who're willing to help you import and go through this hassle or the other way is to setup a shop yourself.

My long 2 cents

Why dont we work together? Find out the demand for Green Tree Frogs first ( start here in AQ ), collect the names and amount, then move these details to AF where theres a commercial marketplace ( There would be people with license to import there. ) If the demand is really high, i dont see a reason why the shopkeepers will not try to bring them in. We can try to help them out with the AVA part as much as we can. Think its worth a shot?

[dkk08]

Why dont we work together? Find out the demand for Green Tree Frogs first ( start here in AQ ), collect the names and amount, then move these details to AF where theres a commercial marketplace ( There would be people with license to import there. ) If the demand is really high, i dont see a reason why the shopkeepers will not try to bring them in. We can try to help them out with the AVA part as much as we can. Think its worth a shot?

Like I said, who would start first? As in who would take the lead? If the price of the frogs are like the previous batch which I would say is quite reasonable, I don't mind taking 10-20 white's tree frogs.

I can only see us assisting the shops in the write up of the info/education leaflet and maybe those who are in the printing industry can help to print the leaflet.

I suggest we start a list here in AQ first, set a deadline and then move on to AF to continue with the Mass Order and then get a shop or someone with the required import/export license to help us. We can try.

[Fingerling]

Ill start the ball rolling then, but would anyone with more influence on both forums, gather the necessary information and put it up on AF, hopefully finding more people interested in tree frogs there too. This would also indicate a start to more vivariums in SG. Would any moderator please assist with this thread.

Here's a picture of a green tree frog


Names and Order list ( The amount to order can be changed once we learned of the pricing, location of where the GTFs are being shipped from and quantity of the first shipment. This is mainly to see the demand. However cases where names have to be taken out from the list will be dealt with by the MODs fairly.)

AQ name- Real name- Amount you'd like to order

1) Fingerling- Kenny- 5

[FuEl]

Spoke to someone today. You all can try approaching Aquastar at Yishun. That is the Australian red eye, Litoria chloris, which has not been exported out of Australia to my knowledge. That is not the approved specimen. The approved one is Litoria caerulea. Some people say the blue morph is found exclusively in Australia but I find that hard to believe as I had a specimen derived from Indonesian broodstock which turned blue, with the parents being green. Importing from Indonesia should keep the costs lower and more affordable.

[davwong]

These should be the White Tree Frogs.

[dkk08]

Ill start the ball rolling then, but would anyone with more influence on both forums, gather the necessary information and put it up on AF, hopefully finding more people interested in tree frogs there too. This would also indicate a start to more vivariums in SG. Would any moderator please assist with this thread.

Here's a picture of a green tree frog


Names and Order list ( The amount to order can be changed once we learned of the pricing, location of where the GTFs are being shipped from and quantity of the first shipment. This is mainly to see the demand. However cases where names have to be taken out from the list will be dealt with by the MODs fairly.)

1) Fingerling- Kenny- 5

hi bro fingerling, bro fuel is correct, the one you've is a red eye not a white's treefrog... the correct frog is shown on bro davwong post...

I've actually started a Mass Order thread under the Mass Order section, think its being approved then we can all start putting our names/orders down

Good luck to all

AQ name- Real name- Amount you'd like to order

[moluccan]

Most likely you guys will not get the approval from AVA. They are all talk and no action. in the first place they couldn't even get the name of the frog right. what in the world is a "green tree frog". It could mean so many species. Do a search on google type in green tree frog and you'll get hits on tiger legs, red eyes, whites and any other sp that looks green for that matter. That speaks volumes on how ignorant they are. You guys do the math.

[Fingerling]

hi bro fingerling, bro fuel is correct, the one you've is a red eye not a white's treefrog... the correct frog is shown on bro davwong post...

I've actually started a Mass Order thread under the Mass Order section, think its being approved then we can all start putting our names/orders down

Good luck to all

AQ name- Real name- Amount you'd like to order

Aye, haha, i dont really know much about these frogs other then their diet and conditions required to thrive.