Reply With QuoteTo me, soil is only one of the factors, how significant is it I'm not sure. I'm currently using ADA soil for about a year, crs does reproduces, rarely see dead crs. other factors like the water quality and temperature also important to me.
why so secretive, using other nick?
CRS GENES...
CRS Shrimps tank setup with different soils, will it affect your CRS Genes.
Soils type: magic soils / ADA soils / Gex soils / Red Bee soils etc.
1. Will it affect your CRS color ?
(Lost of White / Red become Orangy)
2. Will it cause shrimps not pregnant ?
3. Will it cause shrimps die ?
CRS Shrimps keeper, Please share your experience.
To me, soil is only one of the factors, how significant is it I'm not sure. I'm currently using ADA soil for about a year, crs does reproduces, rarely see dead crs. other factors like the water quality and temperature also important to me.
So far I have tried the following soil.
- ADA Amazonia - high dead rate when first used. Even when tank looked cycled with test kits showing 0 ammonia and nitrite, I still got frequent dead CRS. Especially heartache when seeing pregnant shrimps died. Finally gave them up after 6 months of trying.
- ADA Africana - lesser deaths. Tank stablised and cycled fast. Plants are healthy. Now still using same soil after 2.5 years. The granules do not break down into powder like some people claimed.
- GEX for shrimp - excellent soil. Tank cycled within 1 month. Experienced CRS population boomed within the first year. But after 1 year, the CRS started to mysteriously died off. Noticed a lot of debris trapped under the soil. Maybe I stirred the soil too much.
- Magic soil. Used a bit for 1 feet tank to try out. Results not bad. But tank somehow crashed and failed to produce enough babies to sustain population. Gave up after 6 months.
I am keeping some "rejected" CRS in another 30 degree C tank with pH about 7.5. Tank water is in excellent condition as I changed it frequently. Some died off while some are surviving well in that tank. Color looked the same to me. Strange.
IMHO, the color of the shrimp strongly depends on the gene of the parents. I think it is quite hard to just make a CRS into thicker white by just adding additives.
If you are serious about breeding, choose your CRS carefully and not to just throw any "rejected" shrimps from other breeders into your precious CRS tank.
Anyway for soil, my vote goes to ADA Africana.
Last edited by kensk; 24th May 2009 at 01:38. Reason: more info
Has anyone used NISSO custom shrimp soil? Any feedback on this soil?
You are referring to long term, short term effect? And newly setup or old setup?Originally Posted by jojoe
Soil will not be able to affect genes of a shrimp as it is DNA hardcoded.
silane
How about which are the perferred types for CRS survival and reproduction?
Cos I notice some soil tend to have more debris after some time? could it be due to the soil breaking down?
why so secretive, using other nick?
That's why this topic help new shrimps keeper to understand more and be more successful for future setup..
Hi Silane,
It will start from newly setup follow by old setup..Then long term setup..
SOILS does not affect genes ? Then why you ask me what soils i USE ?
May i know what SOILS you are using, may be you can share more shrimps keeping experience...
You are referring to long term, short term effect? And newly setup or old setup?
Bro..
Different soils setup may affected those low genes to lost of white..
Soil will not be able to affect genes of a shrimp as it is DNA hardcoded.
Hopefully someone can answer your question very soon...
Thanks Bro Kensk for given so much detials and experience on different soils tanks setup...
Bro Jimmy,So far I have tried the following soil.
- ADA Amazonia - high dead rate when first used. Even when tank looked cycled with test kits showing 0 ammonia and nitrite, I still got frequent dead CRS. Especially heartache when seeing pregnant shrimps died. Finally gave them up after 6 months of trying.
- ADA Africana - lesser deaths. Tank stablised and cycled fast. Plants are healthy. Now still using same soil after 2.5 years. The granules do not break down into powder like some people claimed.
- GEX for shrimp - excellent soil. Tank cycled within 1 month. Experienced CRS population boomed within the first year. But after 1 year, the CRS started to mysteriously died off. Noticed a lot of debris trapped under the soil. Maybe I stirred the soil too much.
- Magic soil. Used a bit for 1 feet tank to try out. Results not bad. But tank somehow crashed and failed to produce enough babies to sustain population. Gave up after 6 months.
I am keeping some "rejected" CRS in another 30 degree C tank with pH about 7.5. Tank water is in excellent condition as I changed it frequently. Some died off while some are surviving well in that tank. Color looked the same to me. Strange.
IMHO, the color of the shrimp strongly depends on the gene of the parents. I think it is quite hard to just make a CRS into thicker white by just adding additives.
If you are serious about breeding, choose your CRS carefully and not to just throw any "rejected" shrimps from other breeders into your precious CRS tank.
Anyway for soil, my vote goes to ADA Africana.
Different soils used different material for manufactured, it may really affect Crs poor genes to be worst..
Last edited by jojoe; 24th May 2009 at 20:37.
why so secretive, using other nick?
I am now using Magic soils, 2 weeks cycling and i start my shrimps keeping hobby..
PH 6.8 ( But now using electric Co2 to controll it at PH 6.48 )
Do not ask me why need to use electric Co2.. I also don't know..
Magic soils may cause low pregnant rate ( i have 4 pregnants CRS carrying low count of eggs.. (this is my experience, may not be products problems)
My past experience used ( ADA / Red Bee sand ) needs around a month to cycled.. Shrimps died for no reason after 6 months...
(this is also my experience, may not be products problems)
Hi Jojoe,
See this is meaning of genes:
A gene is the basic unit of heredity in a living organism. All living things depend on genes. Genes hold the information to build and maintain their cells and pass genetic traits to offspring. In general terms, a gene is a segment of nucleic acid that, taken as a whole, specifies a trait. The colloquial usage of the term gene often refers to the scientific concept of an allele. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene
You asked: SOILS does not affect genes ?
Of course soil does not affect genes, unless the soil contain radioactive materials, that may cause mutation. See the meaning of gene above.
You asked: Then why you ask me what soils i USE ?
It was a very simple question, I like to talk to people to on what they use what they are doing... how they keep shrimps, bla bla bla.
silane
Magic soil may cause low pregnant rate???? I know quite of number of people was very sucessful with it. Or low eggs count??? I see low number of females carry eggs is different from a female carries low number of eggs. Or the shrimp has trait that carry small number of eggs??
You have forgotten you have used pinkish quartz and bare tank for CRS. I remember you started off your shrimp hobby by using pinkish quartz that was used in your endie tank, I recalled that I have to go to your office to help you to test the water in a few occasions when shrimps were dying.
Last edited by silane; 25th May 2009 at 03:06.
silane
It could due to soil break down and also waste produced by shrimps. I will not bother too much about that layer....from experience a sucessful or bad tank is rather independant of that layer build up.
silane
why so secretive, using other nick?
Thanks Silane for enlighten my curiousity...
That's mean i have got those low grade Mosura on my previous purchase from breeder, not my tank setup problem..
Hey Silane, You have not share what soils you prefered to use or what soils you using now..
Last edited by jojoe; 25th May 2009 at 11:49.
why so secretive, using other nick?
As i mentioned it may not be soils products problems..
I see low females pregnant, may be i have that low number of females..
I just got to understand from others(High Grade CRS females don't really carry more eggs) correct me if i am wrong..
Human get old as time past..
My 1st started CRS 3 years agoes is 1.5ft tank with white quartz in office(you have forgotten)..
Then i change to keep at home with pinkish quartz and 5.5ft bare tank..
Recall the past hobby time, i do thanks you for your guardians.. Here i say thanks again for the past and may also future..
Magic soil may cause low pregnant rate???? I know quite of number of people was very sucessful with it. Or low eggs count??? I see low number of females carry eggs is different from a female carries low number of eggs. Or the shrimp has trait that carry small number of eggs??
You have forgotten you have used pinkish quartz and bare tank for CRS. I remember you started off your shrimp hobby by using pinkish quartz that was used in your endie tank, I recalled that I have to go to your office to help you to test the water in a few occasions when shrimps were dying.
I should be working not posting
Perhaps the soil may affect the growth and appearance[phenotype] of the shrimps due to their pH/kH altering abilities + other characteristics.
Great genetics can be hampered by poor husbandry and environment.
Perhaps soils have an expiry date. I know that once it starts to get muddy, it's time to vacuum the top 1cm layer off and top up with new soil.
You can if you dare to fail - Stan Chung
oh, it brings back the old memory, how times flies. You forgotten you have used GEX soil before.
Generally speak, those has better patterns and color has less eggs, and you can call it poor genes (genotype) and if water is no good or soil is no good, the number of eggs can drop till no more.
Anyway, you are too humble.
silane
What do you think these 2 are "good genes" or "poor genes" ?
silane
totally agree on this!
recently i bought some "low grade" (lousy white) shrimps from a fellow forumer here. when i first received it true the white was not thick.. but after i place them my friend's tank(a gift for a friend of mine) the colour of 6 out of the 9 shrimps i bought became thick white! so what my friend and i concluded is that like what Stan has said the soil WILL affect the growth and appearance of shrimps!
therefore the gene is fixed, we need to improve our water condition to maximize the appearance of the shrimps.
Thanks!
I think there are good genes and not so good ones but the problem is there is no exact way to find out which is which?
Is it also possible that some colours may be recessive in certain generations of shrimps? Therefore having poor colouration does not mean that the shrimp has poor genes?
if i have some high grades and low grades in the same tank and if the high grades (mosura) does not show thick white but the low grades (A) does, it this a conclusion that the high grades does not have good genes but the low grade does?
Or it is just a matter of "conditioning" that either the high grade needs to get used to with time, or just that the tank condition is better suited for the lower grades?
Meaning, does it take different tank conditions for different shrimp grades/genes?
Cheers,
Joe
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