Need help on Pleco!

[akoh]

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Akoh, I'm having a 3ft tank...not a 2ft. Don't worry! So can or not?
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There is a basic guideline, can't extactly remember the formula ! think it's 1 inch of fish for every 10 litres of water. eg if the volume of your tank is 300 litres, then the total length of fish is 30 inches ( 30 pcs of 1 inch fish or 15 pcs of 2 inches ). Can someone pls confirm this formula ! Xie Xie ! Cheers !

Safe Diving !
akoh

[coryfav]

Think it's 1 inch per gallon of water.

[andygan]

So I have a 3 X 1.5 X 1.5 tank...how many pleco can I keep?
I also have abt 50 tetras,6 Rams,6 Guorami and 3 Platis.
Thanks again!

[andygan]

Hey coryfav, I saw your pictures on your website. Really very nice home you have for your pleco. May I know where you bought your "highrise flats"? I'm looking for something like that but could never find it. Please let me know. Thanks a million!

[andygan]

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[mrs budak]

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On 3/12/2003 12:01:30 AM

Hi! I'm new in keeping plecos.....
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and in another post...

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So I have a 3 X 1.5 X 1.5 tank...how many pleco can I keep?
I also have abt 50 tetras,6 Rams,6 Guorami and 3 Platis.
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Wise words from mrs budak:

Wah piang eh, mrs budak thinks you not only new to plecos, you also new to fish-keeping leh! After so many posts still cannot figure out ah?

Good luck to your fish. []

[lighter]

Hi Andygan,

I think besides the 1 fish per gallon rule, you need to see if your filtration can tahan all the bioload. Having a very "strong" filter in this case is necessary especially when you're keeping many plecos in the tank. I'm using a 1500l/hr wet/dry and a unit of 3338 for my 3ft and I think its barely enough.

[akoh]

Jeff ! finally ! ! ! found my replacement ! just got my hands on 2 pcs of L066 King Tiger Pleco ! damn chio ! coz' the scribble pattern or network pattern damn unique ! [:0] [] , cheers !

Safe Diving !
akoh

[lighter]

wah!! My only scribbling pleco now is L260! []

[mrs budak]

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On 4/4/2003 12:00:38 PM

Hi Andygan,

I think besides the 1 fish per gallon rule, you need to see if your filtration can tahan all the bioload. Having a very "strong" filter in this case is necessary especially when you're keeping many plecos in the tank. I'm using a 1500l/hr wet/dry and a unit of 3338 for my 3ft and I think its barely enough.
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I don't think he will be able to understand what you're saying. What is "bioload"? What is "water parameter" etc??

Instead of wasting all his money buying all those expensive and rare fish and killing them, he should invest his money in a fish-keeping guide and do some serious reading up. He's obviously not prepared to keep fish and therefore shouldn't be doing so.

Anyway I don't think you can manipulate the bioload of a tank so much that it can take up to like 3 or 4X its "normally allowable" bioload. I stand to be corrected though.

Btw it's 1 inch per gallon. You cannot keep 1 3 feet snakehead in a 1 gallon tank right? :P

[Goondoo]

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I don't think he will be able to understand what you're saying. What is "bioload"? What is "water parameter" etc??

Instead of wasting all his money buying all those expensive and rare fish and killing them, he should invest his money in a fish-keeping guide and do some serious reading up. He's obviously not prepared to keep fish and therefore shouldn't be doing so.

Anyway I don't think you can manipulate the bioload of a tank so much that it can take up to like 3 or 4X its "normally allowable" bioload. I stand to be corrected though.

Btw it's 1 inch per gallon. You cannot keep 1 3 feet snakehead in a 1 gallon tank right? :P
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*tink tink*
You Win! Perfect!

Any next challenger?!? [] []

[akoh]

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wah!! My only scribbling pleco now is L260! [] My favourites one now are L66, L250 and L333, but I never see L250 and L333 here in SG, have you?
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The " German supplier " claim that it's not a L066 ! more a L333 but after a " de-stress" in my main tank ! confirm L066 ! [] .

Safe Diving !
akoh

[andygan]

To: Mrs Budak
I am indeed a newbie and that is why I'm here to ask the things that I don't know and don't understand. But...with people like you helping me would do no help so I would really appreciate if you could keep your "useless" comments to yourself as you are of no help to me or any other newbies that wants to learn. Thank you very much!

[mrs budak]

Obviously you have not caught on what me and several other more polite members have been telling you (in this and the other infamous tetra thread).

Our useless comment to you is: read up properly before even attempting to keep fish (and plecos at that).

Giving you pointers is useless because you have no idea "why", you only know the "what."

It is worse when we give you all sorts of advice and you don't even know what that means! ("what is water parameter"? dunno what is wattage of lights, dunno what substrate is, dunno what filter media is...)

Many members here are working people or full-time students and don't have time to give basic lessons in fish-keeping. The onus is on the fish keeper to do his own reading up. Please do not expect to be spoon-fed here.

My next useless comment is this: your tank is obviously overcrowded (my guess is it's a new tank) causing massive ammonia compounds to build up and poisoning and killing your fish.

And it's because you're a newbie who didn't bother to read up basics in fishkeeping (nitrogen cycle, bioload, filtration system, etc).

Had you started with the basic reading up and be a bit more patient in building up your tank, you wouldn't be having so many problems and causing fits in the other members reading of your disasters (more like the fish's disaster).

My final useless comment is this: do your fish a favour and donate some of them them to someone who knows better, and who has the space to take in your fish. Otherwise you can of course let "nature" do its job and therefore, no doubt we will be hearing of more fish deaths in the days to come.

[turaco]

When Mrs Budak said something, you ought to listen![] [] [] No doubt they sound a bit but these are good advise. Good luck to your fish..

[kenny_G]

i agree with budak, no one can help you and your fish if you do not first help yourself.

anyway pls stop buying fish, especially pleco because i tink your tank is overcrowded. especially that they have very high bioload, as in they **** alot.

ken

[vinz]

Andy,

In AQ, there is a forum called Aquatic FAQ. In there is a thread called "Websites". It lists some informative websites. Those should help.

Mrs Budak is right (she is fierce, but gives good advice), a lot of us are full time students or hold full time jobs, some married with children. Basic things you need to understand as a fishkeeper like the Nitrogen cycle, toxicity, etc, cannot be taught in a few sentences. Which is why we came up with a list of good websites for beginner's to start with.

[andygan]

I'm sorry if I was rude but I just feel very lost and very in need of help. But what I got was lecturing. Would anyone be happy? I want to keep fishes and pleco so I'm learning but I get comments like that on me.[]
Anyway, thank you everyone for the advises.

[mrs budak]

Yes, you want to keep fish. Surely you also want to keep them alive too? So please get some good books to read so that you know how to keep your fish alive and happy. You want to learn right? Go to the library and pick up a fish-keeping book for a start.

Do things must be patient. Keeping fish is not like cooking instant noodles, add water and add fish. The fish tank can take up to 1 month to mature before you can really start stocking your fish.

Then maybe you will learn why your fish are dying and therefore won't get lectured by me for not knowing your basics.

Meanwhile please stop doing stupid things like keep adding fish to your tank.

[urbanjungleman]

AKoh, I think the L333 you got is here in GAN's farm. Only half tank of them. Are you in Singapore?
Andy, don't be discourage. All of us paid tuition fees along the way- some will pay more than the others. Hang in there, as long as your passion for L numbers remains, I believe that you will succeed eventually- not only to keep them, but even breeding is possible.

One word of advise- always ask yourself: have I done my water change this week?

UJMan