Koi swordtail

[webbie180]

Anyone knows where sell? Hardy?

[Cacatuoides]

Saw a few in bags floating in the tank beside the counter.

[Jervis]

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[Cacatuoides]

Thanks Jervis. Forgot to include the location

[hell united]

Anyone knows where sell? Hardy?

I cant say for sure whether you had previous successes with livebearer species. However, in my 6 years of fishkeeping, no livebearers, including platy, molly, even guppy, exceeds a survival period of 3 months. That is despite all the talks that desribe the hardiness of these fishes. They are extremely vulnerable to white spots and surprisingly unsociable towards tank mates. Moreover, they are also insensitive to medical treatment. All other families i have kept miraculously outlived the livebearers and survived till old age. If you are prepared to buy koi swordtail, my advice is that you quarantine them for a week and put medicine to prevent diseases. Avoid buying male if you are not prepared to buy more than 1 because males tend to be more aggresive than female. If there are dead tankmates or if there is an outbreak of disease, please DO NOT buy even if you are attempting to select only healthy ones. Take note that hybrids are not necessarily hardy. Cross breeding among some fish produces very weak offsprings. I hope this helps.

[webbie180]

Will their color fade? Hope is not some chemcial injeted in the fishes to make them look like koi.......anyone keeping them?

Thanks, hell united for your advice. Always thot this type of longkang fish very hardy ones.

[daphne12]

Seaview have lots of them too..

[hell united]

Will their color fade? Hope is not some chemcial injeted in the fishes to make them look like koi.......anyone keeping them?

Thanks, hell united for your advice. Always thot this type of longkang fish very hardy ones.

I agree that longkang fishes are very hardy. Unfortunately, because they are said to be very hardy, there is a tendency for shop owners to abuse them. That includes overcrowding of tanks containing livebearers. If you have realised, livebearer tanks are always dirty and not well maintained. Most of these fishes are not well fed because they are feeders and that move will be seen as wasting food and minimising profit. They are also roughly treated during changing of water. I have seen owners emptying a whole tank of water into a drain with life swordtails still inside and replacing the water directly from the tap without any anti chlorine. Mortality rate among livebearers are always very high. Naturally, the offsprings they produce becomes weak.

[jt76280]

I have koi swordtails.. bought them from the fish farm at Jalan Kayu...

However, one by one... they die after 2 weeks... I suspect its due to stress... new environment... and many other fishes...

Not very hardy....

[hell united]

I have koi swordtails.. bought them from the fish farm at Jalan Kayu...

However, one by one... they die after 2 weeks... I suspect its due to stress... new environment... and many other fishes...

Not very hardy....

Precisely!!! That is why i must say commercialisation of this hobby isn't a very good thing. Farms are producing lots of nonsense such as balloon red rainbowfish, balloon pearl gourami, and mollies with numbers on them. Most of these are not hardy for an obvious reason. Recently, i saw dyed glass fish sold in Qian Hu, which made me extremely disappointed and utterly disgusted.

[KeIgO86]

I think we should be glad that commercialization of this hobby revolves more on producing than the capture of wild fishes. Though I agree that it would be best that these "balloons" and other altered fish never surfaced in the aquarium industry, I find that some people overreacting about the altered species in the industry today; so much so that some forgot that the "natural" fishes they so proudly keep in their tanks may actually be harvested from natural habitats, resulting in a sometimes catastrophically diminished wild population.

When there is demand, there is money to be made, thus, there will be supply. Instead of spoiling our mood over these inevitabilities, let us simply shape the market by choosing what we buy, thereby allowing the market forces to do their job. The industry outlook with regard to this issue seems rather positive, judging from the sensational rise and eventual fall of the luohan and dyed parrot craze.

As for livebearers, I have a sunset platy in my planted tank for over 3 years and he's still doing fine. Another 2 I got together with the former died after 1~2 years in my tank. Maybe you should review your acclimatisation methods and water quality.

I believe if given a choice, fish shop owners will just like us, prefer minimum fish mortality rates in their shops. However, fish shop owners are businessmen, not saints. Treating feeders like a prized fish doesn't make business sense, and neither would treating ornamental livebearers priced at $1-$2/pc like feeders (rough handling/100% water change without antichlorine). Most of them out there know what they are doing, those that do not will soon be or are already out of business.

[hell united]

I think we should be glad that commercialization of this hobby revolves more on producing than the capture of wild fishes. Though I agree that it would be best that these "balloons" and other altered fish never surfaced in the aquarium industry, I find that some people overreacting about the altered species in the industry today; so much so that some forgot that the "natural" fishes they so proudly keep in their tanks may actually be harvested from natural habitats, resulting in a sometimes catastrophically diminished wild population.

When there is demand, there is money to be made, thus, there will be supply. Instead of spoiling our mood over these inevitabilities, let us simply shape the market by choosing what we buy, thereby allowing the market forces to do their job. The industry outlook with regard to this issue seems rather positive, judging from the sensational rise and eventual fall of the luohan and dyed parrot craze.

As for livebearers, I have a sunset platy in my planted tank for over 3 years and he's still doing fine. Another 2 I got together with the former died after 1~2 years in my tank. Maybe you should review your acclimatisation methods and water quality.

I believe if given a choice, fish shop owners will just like us, prefer minimum fish mortality rates in their shops. However, fish shop owners are businessmen, not saints. Treating feeders like a prized fish doesn't make business sense, and neither would treating ornamental livebearers priced at $1-$2/pc like feeders (rough handling/100% water change without antichlorine). Most of them out there know what they are doing, those that do not will soon be or are already out of business.

That is entirely not true! Most of the fishes that were kept are farm bred, apart from a few species. Therefore, it has minimal or even no impact on the wild population. Diminishing wild population impacts saltwater species, which are hard to breed and hence wild caught by fishermen as well as major pollution in natural habitats such as in the case of Mekong River, which reduces population of species, for instance red tailed black shark.

I am speaking base on my belief that you are an animal lover. I am greatly affected by the way you show wanton disregard on how different fishes are to be treated in accordance to their market value. I dont believe that arowanas should be treated differently from platies and mollies and neither do i think it is okay to 'balloon' a fish just because it appeals to fishkeepers. It is pure cruelty if you have realised and when i say i am affected, i am really affected without exaggerating. My opinion of you is that you will sacrifice animal rights for money.

From what you previously mentioned on the lifespan of your platy, i see that you are pretty satisfied despite the fact that it is just a mere 1,2 years. Do you know how long can a typical platy survive? Or even how long is the lifespan of other species? 5-6 years on average. 95% of the fish i kept can last at least 2 years and in contrast 95% of the livebearers i had 'wave goodbye' in less than a month. As a normal human of average IQ, cant you see that it cant be that coincidental? For your information, my first fish, a featherfin catfish is still alive and kicking. You cant have imagined this. Hence, you do not need to worry about my water quality, it is probably more well maintained than yours. Sorry for my language.

As for people who venture into this business, i hope they possess basic compassion for life and responsibility for all the crazy research they are into. Money is not everything in life. Desperate for money? Please, go rob a bank or something. Dont put the lifes of so many fishes at stake.

I am young and ignorant, please correct me if i am wrong. I sincerely apologise for my tone.

[KeIgO86]

That is entirely not true! Most of the fishes that were kept are farm bred, apart from a few species. Therefore, it has minimal or even no impact on the wild population. Diminishing wild population impacts saltwater species, which are hard to breed and hence wild caught by fishermen as well as major pollution in natural habitats such as in the case of Mekong River, which reduces population of species, for instance red tailed black shark.

I am speaking base on my belief that you are an animal lover. I am greatly affected by the way you show wanton disregard on how different fishes are to be treated in accordance to their market value. I dont believe that arowanas should be treated differently from platies and mollies and neither do i think it is okay to 'balloon' a fish just because it appeals to fishkeepers. It is pure cruelty if you have realised and when i say i am affected, i am really affected without exaggerating. My opinion of you is that you will sacrifice animal rights for money.

From what you previously mentioned on the lifespan of your platy, i see that you are pretty satisfied despite the fact that it is just a mere 1,2 years. Do you know how long can a typical platy survive? Or even how long is the lifespan of other species? 5-6 years on average. 95% of the fish i kept can last at least 2 years and in contrast 95% of the livebearers i had 'wave goodbye' in less than a month. As a normal human of average IQ, cant you see that it cant be that coincidental? For your information, my first fish, a featherfin catfish is still alive and kicking. You cant have imagined this. Hence, you do not need to worry about my water quality, it is probably more well maintained than yours. Sorry for my language.

As for people who venture into this business, i hope they possess basic compassion for life and responsibility for all the crazy research they are into. Money is not everything in life. Desperate for money? Please, go rob a bank or something. Dont put the lifes of so many fishes at stake.

I am young and ignorant, please correct me if i am wrong. I sincerely apologise for my tone.

I see that you are very worked up by my comments, so much so that you are blatantly utilising an aggressive tone and then apologising for it. Its rather similar to stabbing someone in the chest with purpose and then apologising to that person for it. I don't see any sincerity in that.

Furthermore, many your statements are filled with presumptions without backing eg. (my water quality, its probably more well maintained than yours), making me question your purpose in making them. You may want to consider the fact that even though platies under my care don't make it to your so-called 5-6 years average lifespan, it certainly lived longer than those under your care.

I do not wish to engage in an endless bickering on this subject. My previous post was to present my view on this issue. And in this post, I would like to point to you that you are free to have your own view. But trying to aggressively put down someone who has a contrary view makes you an extremist.

[hell united]

I see that you are very worked up by my comments, so much so that you are blatantly utilising an aggressive tone and then apologising for it. Its rather similar to stabbing someone in the chest with purpose and then apologising to that person for it. I don't see any sincerity in that.

Furthermore, many your statements are filled with presumptions without backing eg. (my water quality, its probably more well maintained than yours), making me question your purpose in making them. You may want to consider the fact that even though platies under my care don't make it to your so-called 5-6 years average lifespan, it certainly lived longer than those under your care.

I do not wish to engage in an endless bickering on this subject. My previous post was to present my view on this issue. And in this post, I would like to point to you that you are free to have your own view. But trying to aggressively put down someone who has a contrary view makes you an extremist.

You do not wish to engage in such bickering neither do I. I am surprise that i am branded an extremist for not supporting something that is obviously and clearly, morally wrong. It is as ridiculous as condemning a kind gentlemen for giving up a seat to an elderly or criticising a law abiding citizen for his refusal to commit crime. What sort of moral justification can you give for your support of such heinous atrocities against life??? Me? extremist? Perhaps you should start to reflect on yourself first. However, i need to tell you this: If you have zero sympathy for those are undergoing mental and physical sufferings, no one will care a hoot if trouble befalls you.

You need a 16 year old to teach you about life and that has certainly put you into a lot of disgrace.

[KeIgO86]

Oh I see, you are only 16 years of age, which pretty much explains your myopic view of life. You need not preach to me about your myopic view of life as I've seen much more than you to know that there are things such as balance and compromise. Just make it more clear to you, that will be the balance of concern now would be the balance between necessary versus unnecessary suffering of animals. =)

And it makes me wonder, are you so bothered about the sufferings of life that you are a vegetarian? Poor critters don't you think, they have to go through the slaughterhouse before ending up on your plate.

[hell united]

Oh I see, you are only 16 years of age, which pretty much explains your myopic view of life. You need not preach to me about your myopic view of life as I've seen much more than you to know that there are things such as balance and compromise. Just make it more clear to you, that will be the balance of concern now would be the balance between necessary versus unnecessary suffering of animals. =)

And it makes me wonder, are you so bothered about the sufferings of life that you are a vegetarian? Poor critters don't you think, they have to go through the slaughterhouse before ending up on your plate.

However, have you thought that these animals actually die for a good purpose? What i am pissed off about is how domestic animals are shabbily treated in farms. I have once watched a video on a American farmer violently kicking his cows and it is cruel and unnecessary. Unfortunately, we eventually have to accept that they have to go through the abattoir. It is a natural process. For instance, we don't blame a cheetah for hunting down a thompson's gazelle so neither can we blame humans for eating meat even as we may want to claim that there is some split second of suffering prior to death. Linking back to your previous post, i assume that you see overcrowding of tanks containing lifebearers and the reluctance of owners to put in extra care as a necessary suffering. I want to tell you that it is definitely not. For those who say it is, they are selfish and greedy businessmen who have only profit maximising in mind. The reason why no one cares is because the one suffering are fishes and not humans. Only when humans suffer will people start to put themselves in other's shoes. Some people need to be shot to know that a bullet penetrating the brain hurts.

[Interestor]

basic rules to keep fish alive,

water parameter.
medicine.
fish.

learn the mention above, fish keeping is as easy as abc.

CHeers..

anyway, we are off topic.

pasir ris farmway got sell.