Sand from kallang river for aquarium?

[minute_me]

Was at Kallang river recently and saw the sand there quite fine and clean. I was wondering if I can get some and put in my freshwater tank.

I believe the sand there is different from those at east coast because at kallang river it's freshwater (saw freshwater fish there).

Anyone tested sand at Kallang river before? Will they alter ph value of the water drastically?

[Jimmy]

never thought of getting from there, also does it break any law? haha... anyway kallang one is artificial beach.

[qngwn]

yes you will be breaking the law if you take the sand from any beach in singapore. it is considered as government property. any damage, or if any item, which is government property is stolen, the person is guilty of a charge of vandalism.

as extracted from http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_retrieve.pl?actno=REVED-341&doctitle=VANDALISM%20ACT%0A&date=latest&method=part&sl=1 :



Short title.
1. This Act may be cited as the Vandalism Act.
Interpretation.
2. In this Act —
"act of vandalism" means —
(a) without the written authority of an authorised officer or representative of the Government or of the government of any Commonwealth or foreign country or of any statutory body or authority or of any armed force lawfully present in Singapore in the case of public property, or without the written consent of the owner or occupier in the case of private property —
(i) writing, drawing, painting, marking or inscribing on any public property or private property any word, slogan, caricature, drawing, mark, symbol or other thing;
(ii) affixing, posting up or displaying on any public property or private property any poster, placard, advertisement, bill, notice, paper or other document; or
(iii) hanging, suspending, hoisting, affixing or displaying on or from any public property or private property any flag, bunting, standard, banner or the like with any word, slogan, caricature, drawing, mark, symbol or other thing; or
(b) stealing, destroying or damaging any public property;
"private property" means movable or immovable property other than public property;
"public property" means movable or immovable property belonging to the Government or to the government of any Commonwealth or foreign country or to any statutory body or authority or to any armed force lawfully present in Singapore.
Penalty for acts of vandalism.
3. Notwithstanding the provisions of any other written law, any person who commits any act of vandalism or attempts to do any such act or causes any such act to be done shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years, and shall also, subject to section 231 of the Criminal Procedure Code, be punished with caning with not less than 3 strokes and not more than 8 strokes:
Provided that the punishment of caning shall not be imposed on a first conviction under this Act in the case of any act falling within —
(a) paragraph (a) (i) of the definition of “act of vandalism” in section 2, if the writing, drawing, mark or inscription is done with pencil, crayon, chalk or other delible substance or thing and not with paint, tar or other indelible substance or thing; or
(b) paragraph (a) (ii) or (a) (iii) of that definition.

Cap. 68.

Written authority or written consent to be produced on demand to certain persons.
4. —(1) The written authority or the written consent, as the case may be, required under paragraph (a) of the definition of “act of vandalism” in section 2 shall be produced on demand to any member of the Singapore Police Force or of the Special Constabulary or of the Auxiliary Police Force or to any member of the naval, military or air force police attached to the Singapore Armed Forces or to any armed force lawfully present in Singapore.
(2) Any person who fails, refuses or neglects to produce such written authority or written consent on demand as provided in subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $500.
Power to seize article or thing in respect of which offence committed.
5. Any person mentioned in section 4 (1) may seize any poster, placard, bunting, paper or document or any other article or thing whatsoever in respect of which he reasonably believes an offence to have been committed under this Act or which he reasonably believes to be or to contain evidence relating to such an offence.
Offences to be seizable and non-bailable.
6. Every offence under the provisions of this Act shall be seizable and non-bailable for the purposes of the Criminal Procedure Code.

Cap. 68.

Presumption.
7. For the purposes of any prosecution under section 411 of the Penal Code, where the stolen property is public property, it shall be presumed, until the contrary is proved, that the person who received or retained that property knew or had reason to believe that the property was stolen public property and also that such person received or retained it dishonestly.

Cap. 224.

Revocation of secondhand goods dealer’s licence upon conviction
8. Where any secondhand goods dealer within the meaning of the Secondhand Goods Dealers Act 2007 is convicted under section 411 of the Penal Code (Cap. 224) and the stolen property concerned is public property, the court shall, in addition to any other penalty that it may impose, revoke any licence or exemption granted under that Act to the secondhand goods dealer.please note.

[Morgan01]

"it ain't stealing unless you are caught"

just a word of advice, i see people walking their dogs there regularly so wee wee and poo poo on the beach is not uncommon. anyway sand is so cheap save the hassle and go help our economy lah...every bit counts

[minute_me]

wow! the sand comes with fertilizer.. good for my planted tank

Do you know how much a pack of "Sudo" japanese sand cost? The price is riduculous for a pack of sand imo.

Where do you get your cheap fine sand? Can recommend?

[Morgan01]

it's not that expensive lah. i got about 1/2 pack of fine beach sand...if you want pm me...probably enough for 1 foot

[minute_me]

Hi, where did you get your fine beach sand and how much does it cost? is it ph neutral? been searching a lot of place all i saw is Sudo japanese sand which cost 20+ for 10kg

[bossteck]

qngwn: Thank you for sharing this bit of legal advice with the community.

minute me: I am sure whatever fine that comes along with the illegal collection of sand (if you happened to get caught) would amount to more than the $20+.

[fisherw]

I have been catching fish at kallang river...hope it's not illegal...:O

http://www.fishingnewsroom.com/viewt...hp?f=2&t=19518

Based on this thread from a fishing forum, looks like it is. The Rochor River meets the Kallang River which together with the Singapore River ends up at the Marina Barrage. Question is how far back is the rule enforced?

[saltynay]

Just buy some non-toxic kids play sand the quickest way to filter it is to place a hose in a bucket, then fill the bucket upto 3" below the top of the bucket, turn on the hose to a low level and the finest sand particles will rise and overflow from the bucket leaving grains of similar size within the bucket. Do this a couple of times for about half an hour and the sand will be safe for aquarium use.

[Wackytpt]

Hi all,

I have tidy up this thread and remove "threads" that strayed away from the topic.

Laws are set and please respect that.

If you have your personal view on the laws, please keep it to yourself or communicate via pm and not stray away from the orgin of this thread.

Thanks

[minute_me]

Those who need play sand (very fine sand) can get them from Goodwood florist at Thomson. $8.90 for a pack of 25kg!!

Great value!

[khtee]

Those who need play sand (very fine sand) can get them from Goodwood florist at Thomson. $8.90 for a pack of 25kg!!

Great value!

Can the sand use for aquarium? better safe then be sorry friend.... cheap doesn't mean good....

[gnihc11]

Is sand bought from florist and aquarist shops the same type?

[minute_me]

Can play sand be used in the aquarium?? Do a search on the internet and you can find the answer you want. It says on the packet that it's inert and non toxic. It also depends on what type of aquarium you are setting up, so it may not be suitable for some kind of set up.

can sand from kallang river be used? I have tried some in my aquarium and my fishes seems fine. But don't get from kallang river as it's illegal.

I have asked in the past in this forum where to get Play sand but apparently nobody knows. So now everyone knows where to get play sand cheap cheap!!

those who want to try el natural planted aquarium can get Aquatic compost at fareastflora too!! about $14 for a pack of 25kg.

[nelnel]

hey morgan , may i ask where can i purchase the beach sand u talking about..

cheers

[limz_777]

play sand is often use as a base subsrate , isnt kallang river brackish ?

[Fuzzy]

Yes Kallang river is brackish, it is also not the cleanest river. I frequently see oil/diesel floating on the surface.

I wouldn't try sand collected this way in any tank of mine.

[stormhawk]

Well the Kallang River is used by watersport enthusiasts. Some will use those diesel powered boats etc, so that roughly explains why there's oil and diesel blobs floating about. Like Fuzzy, I'd never use sand from this source.