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    Re: Dual Stage Regulators

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    FROM: http://www.scottecatalog.com/scottte...9?opendocument




    TECH & SAFETY DATA


    How to Choose a Gas Regulator That's Right For Your Application

    SINGLE-STAGE GAS REGULATOR




    TWO-STAGE GAS REGULATOR





    What is the difference between the Single Stage and Two Stage Gas Regulator?

    Gas pressure regulators are used to reduce the pressure of gas supplied from a high-pressure cylinder of gas to a workable level that can be safely used for operating equipment and instruments. There are two basic types of gas pressure regulators: single-stage and two-stage.

    Single-stage pressure regulators reduce the cylinder pressure to the delivery or outlet pressure in one step. Two-stage pressure regulators reduce the cylinder pressure to a working level in two steps. Since the performance of each is influenced by mechanical characteristics, the choice of gas regulator depends on the type of application for which it is intended.

    The two most important parameters to be considered are droop and supply pressure effect.

    Droop is the difference in delivery pressure between zero flow conditions and the gas regulator's maximum flow capacity. [Supply pressure effect is the variation in delivery pressure as supply pressure decreases while the cylinder empties. For most regulators, a decrease in inlet pressure causes the delivery pressure to increase.

    The effect of these differences on performance can be illustrated with some examples. For instance, when a centralized gas delivery system is supplying a number of different chromatographs, flow rates are apt to be fairly constant. Supply pressure variations, however, may be abrupt especially when automatic changeover manifolds are used. In this scenario, a two-stage regulator with a narrow accuracy envelope (supply pressure effect) and a relatively steep droop should be used to avoid a baseline shift on the chromatographs.

    Single-stage and two-stage gas regulators have different droop characteristics and respond differently to changing supply pressure. The single-stage regulator shows little droop with varying flow rates, but a relatively large supply pressure effect. Conversely, the two-stage regulator shows a steeper slope in droop but only small supply pressure effects.

    On the other hand, if gas is being used for a short duration instrument calibration, a single-stage gas regulator with a wide accuracy envelope (supply pressure effect) but a comparatively flat droop should be chosen. This will eliminate the need to allow the gas to flow at a constant rate before the calibration can be done.

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    REGULATOR SELECTION (MATERIALS)

    General Gas Use

    The selection of the proper gas regulator involves many factors including body and internal materials of construction. For general use, regulators of brass construction with elastomeric diaphragms will give good service in noncorrosive service where slight contamination or diffusion from an elastomeric diaphragm is not important. Brass regulators with stainless steel diaphragms prevent air diffusion and adsorption of gases on the diaphragm. This is particularly important with low concentration mixtures of hydrocarbons in which the trace component may be adsorbed on the elastomeric diaphragm.

    The gas regulator must be constructed using materials suited to the application. Industrial general purpose regulators are often constructed with either Buna-N or Neoprene diaphragms. Regulators with Buna-N or Neoprene diaphragms are not suitable for GC analysis that can be affected by the diffusion of atmospheric oxygen through the elastomer diaphragm or the outgassing of monomers and dimers from the elastomer. In fact, laboratories that perform temperature programmed analysis are faced with excessive baseline drift and large unresolved peaks due to this diffusion and outgassing.

    High-Purity Gas Service

    The ideal construction for high-purity gas service is a gas regulator that has a stainless steel diaphragm. Such regulators are noncontaminating and assure satisfactory use for all applications of noncorrosive and mildly corrosive gases. Regulators for corrosive gases must be selected from those recommended with each gas listing.

    A gas regulator equipped with a stainless steel diaphragm has several advantages over the elastomeric type. It does not outgas organic materials and it also prevents the diffusion of atmospheric oxygen into the carrier gas. Both Buna-N and Neoprene diaphragms are permeable to oxygen. The chemical potential of oxygen between the carrier gas and the atmosphere provides sufficient driving force for oxygen to intrude the carrier gas through a permeable diaphragm.

    Materials of Construction Summary

    The intended gas service for which the gas regulator is used must be compatible with the materials of construction that come in contact with the gas stream. The wetted materials must be compatible with the gas composition.

    o Noncorrosive (Typical Materials): Aluminum, Brass, Stainless Steel, Buna-N, PCTFE, Neoprene, Teflon®, Viton®, Nylon
    o Corrosive (Typical Materials): Aluminum, Stainless Steel, Monel®, Nickel, PCTFE, Teflon®


    Regulator Gauges

    Generally single and two-stage gas regulators are equipped with two gauges: a cylinder or inlet pressure gauge, and a delivery or outlet pressure gauge. The cylinder pressure gauge has the higher pressure range and is located adjacent to the inlet port. The delivery pressure gauge of lower pressure range is located adjacent to the outlet port. Although most cylinder regulators have two gauges, regulators utilized on cylinders containing liquefied gases may not have a cylinder pressure gauge because the cylinder pressure varies only with temperature as long as liquid is present in the cylinder.

    Operating Delivery Pressure Range

    Determining the delivery pressure range can be confusing. First, it is important to determine the gas pressure that is needed. Second, determine the maximum pressure the system might require (these two pressures are often the same). Third, select the delivery pressure range so that the required pressures are in the 25 to 90% range of the gas regulator's delivery pressure (a regulator's performance is at its best within this range).

    Regulator Placement (Cylinder or Line)

    Specialty gas regulator applications are divided into two types. The first is when the regulator is fastened to a gas cylinder using a Compressed Gas Association (CGA) fitting (or BS or DIN). The second application is when a regulator is located in a gas line - providing a means to further reduce the line pressure. A line regulator is identified by having the inlet and outlet opposite of each other, and by a single gauge which is in the 12 o'clock position to indicate the reduced pressure.

    Buna-N® and Teflon® are registered trademarks of E.I. Dupont de Nemours & Company.
    Monel® is a registered trademark of Inco Alloys International Inc. Viton® is a registered trademark of DuPont Dow Elastomers.

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    SELECTION CRITERIA SUMMARY


    The application determines which gas regulator to select. For example, a brass regulator should not be used in corrosive gas service. The duration of gas use time helps to identify whether a single-stage or two-stage regulator provides the best service. A single-stage is a good performer for short duration gas usage. A two-stage gas regulator performs best when it is attached to the cylinder and adjusted to the desired reduced pressure, and then remains in service until the cylinder is ready for changeout.

    Consider this criteria when planning your next pressure reduction requirements.

    1. Use a gas regulator for all pressure reduction requirements.
    2. Use a valve for flow control.
    3. Materials used in the gas regulator construction are to be compatible with the intended gas service.
    4. Determine the delivery pressure requirements.
    5. Do you need a cylinder regulator or a line regulator or perhaps both?
    6. Determine the accessories to be included with your gas regulator.
    7. Determine how you intend to use the pressure regulator. Generally a single-stage regulator is good for short duration applications; a two-stage regulator is good for long duration applications.


    The safest means to reduce cylinder pressure is through a pressure reduction regulator. Scott offers over 40 regulator series with more than 120 different pressure ranges. All are intended for a specific application.

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    Re: Dual Stage Regulators

    I posted the following info last night, but someone may of thought that it was from a spammer and zapped it.





    Two Models of Bürkert 6011 solenoids available with Buna-N Seals - Order Information




    Two new Bürkert 6011 solenoids are available with Buna-N Seals instead of the stock Viton seals. Buna-N is better for CO2 duty than Viton. They are available in brass and stainless steel versions. These are custom made in Germany on a per order basis at this point in time.

    Since these are a special order item, there is a 5 to 6 week lead time. This means that after you place your order, it will take 5 to 6 weeks before you get them. Ordering information is at the bottom of this post.

    Bürkert technical support told me that these 6011 solenoids are designed such that being energized 24/7 is not a problem. This is good news for the people that are keeping their solenoids on for 6 to 14+ hours continuously during their lighting cycle.

    These new part numbers are 00463938 for brass and 00463939 for SS. The prices are below which does not include shipping and any sales tax if appropriate.

    material: BRASS: 00463938 = $45.40 Price: 5-6 weeks lead time
    description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
    mat description: 6011-A02,0BBMSNM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
    type: 6011
    circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
    orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
    seal material: BB: NBR
    body material: MS: BR
    port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
    coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
    voltage: 120V
    frequency: 60Hz
    power consumption: 4W
    Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
    technical data: PRESSURE
    pressure min: 0
    pressure max: 8
    technical data: FLOW-RATE
    KV: 0,110


    material: STAINLESS STEEL: 00463939 = $81.50 Price: 5-6 week lead time
    description: 2/2-WAY MINI-SOLENOID VALVE, DIR. ACTING
    mat description: 6011-A02,0BBVANM81-2-120/60-04 PD02
    type: 6011
    circuit function: A: 2/2-WAYS; NORMALLY CLOSED
    orifice size: 02,0: 5/64
    seal material: BB: NBR
    body material: VA: SS
    port connection: NM81: NPT1/8
    coil size: 2: 0,79 INCH
    voltage: 120V
    frequency: 60Hz
    power consumption: 4W
    Var1: PD02: UR (UL-RECOGNIZED)/CSA-APPROVAL
    technical data: PRESSURE
    pressure min: 0
    pressure max: 8
    technical data: FLOW-RATE
    KV: 0,110


    These solenoids come stock with a standard DIN connector that doesn't have a LED to indicate when they are energized. If you want a solenoid with the LED DIN, you will have to order both the solenoid and the LED DIN. If you don't want the LED DIN, just order the regulator by itself.

    These are the prices for all three 2506 DIN 120V LED DIN's. The model 008 403 (w/o circuitry) is the one recommended for our use.
    • $9.00 - 120V model 008 403 has a LED w/o circuitry with a max 3A circuit rating
    • $13.20 - 120V model 008 355 has a LED, varistor and rectifier with a max 1A circuit rating
    • $9.90 - 120V model 008 409 has a LED and varistor with a max 3A circuit rating

    (A varistor is a type of surge protector and the rectifier changes the current from AC to DC.)



    *** NOTE: Please place your orders through Jennifer Martin at Bürkert. She is their inside sales person. She can be reached at 704-504-4444. Orders can be faxed in to 949-223-3198 as well. She will send you an order form via email for you to fill out and then send it back to her. You may email her too: [email protected]


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    Re: Dual Stage Regulators

    Aquaticquotient,

    Take note the price above are in U.S. Dollars.

    Thanks for posting Left C.
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    Re: Dual Stage Regulators

    Thank you very much for the clarification.

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    Re: Dual Stage Regulators

    Quote Originally Posted by tawauboy View Post
    two stage regulators may not be necessary for aquaria use.
    a single stage regulator is sufficient.
    How much PSI you have left on your single stage regulator before you take it out for refill?
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