More Taiwan Fire Red Shrimps....

[silane]

Showing some of my Taiwan Fire Red Shrimps

[Wackytpt]

Hi,

Saw you posted them in AF forum.

Nice one...

I am still searching for such quality shirmps.

But have no luck in finding them.

[Shadow]

is this same species as cherry shrimps?

[genes]

I believe it should be a mutation from the cherries. And if you look at the males in the pictures, they looked just like the male cherries. The females look very similar to a female sakura. The mutations for ornamental shrimps never fail to amaze me.

Silane, it would be great if you could post a comparison pic between a sakura and fire shrimp to educate us because i have seen very deep red sakura which could have been easily posed as a fire shrimp imo. Just like how some shops are selling cherries as sakuras.

[beetroot]

isn't it just the naming? i mean... in taiwan, sakuras are called fire red?
well, still need silane our expert to confirm this.
thanks!

[genes]

Not sure about Fire shrimps but sakuras breed out shrimplets that are orangey, looks like cherry and even colorless variants appears. In the end, i just fish those off as live feed.

[silane]

In fact, cherry, sukura and fire red are the same species. They are selected and named according to the redness.

Some people keep sukura and can end up with a few fire red. Or someone keep fire red can end up like sukura. All these are not surprising, but the number of the odds should not be majority. The reddness is due to female hormones according to a famous Fire Red shrimp breeder, Mr Li Ji Tai in Taiwan. When such shrimp age or gestating, the color get thicker. And this explain a male shrimp does not has deep red. And for a darker color shrimps, when change of enviroment, in bad enviroment, the color may get thinner.

Fire red when seen with naked eyes, should have little or no area that is not covered by red. However, it is not realistic to ask for 10 out of 10 in a bag of fire reds that have to be 100% covered as they do get stressed in bags even though the seller would bag 10 out of 10 100% covered ones.

IMO, if a bag is marked as Fire Red, an acceptabe level will be at least has 7 dark red, and the rest may color not so thick. And if a bag is marked with Fire red, and only 3 or so is thick color.. then, you may want to consider the prices and other factors.

There is not too many good quality fire red, that is according to Mr Lee, who is not a small breeder, you know that Taiwan farm, they are huge. Once I asked him to sell me top notch fire red, I asked for 200 pieces, he was only able to sell 150 pieces, simply, there aren't many that good color.

Just side track a bit, he now has fire black, which is a chachoal black version of fire red and these black shrimps is found to be color fading or changing. If not, they can be the most beautiful form of bred neocaridinal shrimps.

Unfornately, at least for now, I dont see that high quality fire red from Taiwan is going to end up in LFS because of high cost. However, you have find a small numbers among the sukura that may qualified to be Fire Red when they get aged and when carrying eggs.

[silane]

Not sure about Fire shrimps but sakuras breed out shrimplets that are orangey, looks like cherry and even colorless variants appears. In the end, i just fish those off as live feed.

Not really, dont be surprised, these rejects from TW farm ended as cheap cherry shrimps in some LFS.

[genes]

I am beginning to think those orange shrimps are also those rejects too. Very informative Silane. Thanks for the explanation.

[Wackytpt]

Very interesting thread. So Silane you meant that taiwan fire red are actually specially selected cherries right?

[silane]

I am beginning to think those orange shrimps are also those rejects too. Very informative Silane. Thanks for the explanation.

Today's wanted can be tomorrow reject. Yestersday's reject can be today's wanted.
Like panda shrimps, they were not wanted as they are merely black, no much white, but now Japs are crazy over it. Once the flowerhead mosura were most wanted, but now they are deemed as another golden CRS, the interest level on this has fallened.

So orange shrimps, when the color is fixed and thickened, I think it has its future. Another color variation of cherry, the green ones, called green cherry, the color is not thick, that is the reason for its low acceptance level and price.

Very interesting thread. So Silane you meant that taiwan fire red are actually specially selected cherries right?

Yes, Taiwan Fire Red is selected from Taiwan Cherries.

Sukura has been introduced into Singapore for a year or two, many people is using them to breed, but I have yet to see anyone produced subtainable number of Fire Red quality Sukura locally.

[Wackytpt]

Silane,

You gotten my pm in the afternoon?

Cheers

[genes]

Nic, you already got FR. Its in your avatar!

[Wackytpt]

That piece of cherry shirmp was taken around 8 years ago when they first reach singapore.

[Spid]

Very good thread here I must say.

First of all thanks Master Silane for all those information you provided here.

Let me share something about all these cherries, sakuras, fire reds or whatever names.
I have been myself a "neocaridina red" breeder here for quite some years of which I have dedicated few tanks just to produce and maintain the redness of them. Of course those stocks i got initially are not local but from some place. (I guess many know where they originated from)

Yes all info produced by our guru Silane here is practically very true. These guys just need time, patience and many tanks just to maintain and upkeep the redness. Out of a batch, which most turned out to be females, only a certain percentage can reach to those full red status and to acheive that it takes at least 4months or more for the females to be fully color-matured. For males, they do not have those so called full red males. Males are much smaller and can be colorless at times. One additional info about these males is that they do not live as long as their females counterparts are. So to find some good strong built working males to catch and overturn those big fat females can be difficult at times.

I have discussed many times over threads here in AQ...For those interested can go take a look.
http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum...ad.php?t=47570
http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum...ad.php?t=47290

As for those fire reds or sakuras that is been sold in LFS, I guess I cant comment much. Just remember what you pay is what you get for many cases.

[ahdex]

spid u got new batch of firered to sell already ah?

[silane]

Males are much smaller and can be colorless at times. One additional info about these males is that they do not live as long as their females counterparts are. So to find some good strong built working males to catch and overturn those big fat females can be difficult at times.

Is it they work too hard on females and they have shorter live ?

[Spid]

Is it they work too hard on females and they have shorter live ?

I have not much of an idea about this though.

However it can be due to they matured at a younger age and once they are considered sexually active, you will only see them searching up and down for their targets and have little interest to settle down to look for food. This can be one of the optimal reason for their small size and probably one of the reason behind their early deaths.

[stonespot]

True. Most of the time only the red ones doing the feeding.

[chromes03]

Spid/Silane,

What water do you keep your Fire Red Cherry in? Soft/Hard?

Thanks