Apistogramma cacatuoides "Orange"

[goody992828]

Oh I see, maybe you are right as it is really their first spawn, hence might not be that experience.....

Thanks bro for the advice

[goody992828]

Hi All

Just found that my Orange Flash spawn again, this time round use a divider to deperate the male and the female in the same tank, afraid the male might be dead if I don't seperate tham because saw the feamle very aggressive towards the male, which is about 2 & a half time bigger in size.

[stormhawk]

Congratulations on the 2nd spawn. You did the right thing in using a divider. Otherwise the male might be dead meat by now.

[goody992828]

Haha yeah bro, thanks

For this second spawn seems that there are quite a numbers of fries when I manage to have a peep on it

[johnlim]

Hi Guys

Yesterday manage to drop by Y618 and spotted this pair of apisto and can't help bringing it back home despite I am a newbie in keeping them. The colour is just so beautiful... hence was thinking to post here and share with experts for comments.

hi how much are there selling for this type fish...

[genes]

Price can range from $10 or more depending on the quality and where you purchase them from.

[goody992828]

hi how much are there selling for this type fish...

I think if you drop by Biotope it is selling around $20 per pair for local breed if I am not wrong.

[johnlim]

I think if you drop by Biotope it is selling around $20 per pair for local breed if I am not wrong.

ok by the way the biotope at woodlands blk167 right .wow why so exp ..

[stormhawk]

$20 is not expensive, where Apistogramma are concerned. Wild pairs can set you back by a lot of $$. That is when you can say, "Wow, why so expensive". Many other fish out there, can cost more. Heck even shrimps can cost more than a $20 pair of cheap farm-bred apistos.

[joopsg]

$20 can only buy entry level apistogramma.
There are people who are more than willing to fork out a few hundred for a pair of fish.
Well, just paid the premium for the quality.
You will be able to get back some money if you manage to spawn the fish and sell their offsprings. But please do not mass produce those low quality fish.

[stormhawk]

Let's put it this way, nobody can mass produce them in a home aquarium. There's always issues like skewed sex ratio, and sudden fry deaths. We can never compete with the supply from a fish farm.

$20 for entry level Apisto is good enough for some people. Not everyone is willing to spend big bucks for expensive wild fish that are usually emaciated and probably come with internal and external parasites. Not everyone has the patience nor expertise to handle wild fish. Oh and of course, many, if not all of us, lack the space to keep many species of Apisto all at once. This is precisely why so many hobbyists end up selling some of their pairs, when the need for space arises, especially when other more expensive pairs are producing young fish.

So let's not denigrate these "entry-level" Apistos. If they are not good enough as breeding stock for some people, they are good enough for any community tank.

[goody992828]

Yeah $20 buck is consider good for beginner like me hahah..... I am new to this spicies as well hence would not want to invest big amount like what I did on CRS, eventually turn up to loose alot of my investment $$$ on that hobby.... so once bitten twice shy..... need to start from beginner.......

[stormhawk]

Good you didn't plunge straight into the deep end goody992828.

I remember my first "expensive" pair of Apistogramma were a pair of Ap. nijsenni I bought from Pet Safari many years ago, at $80. At that time, I remember seeing a pair of Ap. caca "Triple Red" for $50++. Now they're so much cheaper.

I never got to breed the nijsenni, because at that time, I had no extra breeding tanks. They went into my community tank, and died due to some unknown causes. It was an expensive mistake to begin with.

[goody992828]

Hi StormHawk,

That I have to say thanks to all the expert in this forum that give newbies here alot of valuable information.

Cheers.

[genes]

Very well said stormhawk.

If you guys do not have much experience in handling fishes, not just in the apistogramma genre. Better to start with the more common variants that are not only cheaper but also more readily available. This way, if you intend to start breeding them. You will not have too much trouble finding the sexes.

[stormhawk]

Thanks Eugene. At least someone else understands.

Any Apisto is still an Apisto, be it tank-bred domestic form or wild "exotic" types. Only difference is actually the $$$ between the two. Besides, good responsible home breeders will only keep quality, and not so much for quantity. Doesn't make sense to raise so many fish anyway. We lack space.

TBH, I'm starting to see weird results with the farm fish. If you guys paid a visit to C328, look at the agassizii Alenquer male in one of the small tanks. It has an unnaturally short body. I hope the farms don't start breeding "balloon" apistos. The Ram in balloon form is enough.

Same with the caca strains. Some have deformed fins and other body parts, especially the mouth, both males and females included. I saw at least one male caca at C328 once, with a slanted mouth.

@goody992828,

If you do raise the fry, cull any that show signs of deformities. It is good to breed fish, but always pick quality over quantity.

[doppelbanddwarf]

I saw one agassizii Alenquer male with short body at Y618 too. Looked really odd with the thick and short body.

[stormhawk]

Damn and I thought it was a single random male at C328. I really hope the farm didn't screw up their Alenquer line with these short bodied males.

[goody992828]

I do ageed that mass breeding is never a good idea for hobbyist. Looking for space to house them might be a big headache, beside we have other work commitment which might not have that much time to care for them. Hence selective breeding is the only way to control the quality of the breed. I am aways against the way how those farm breeder change the total gene of the fish into something looks more like alien than their natural beauties. Human put make up but not fishes please.....

[goody992828]

Hi all

Just to share on my Caca Orange Flash Fries, sorry for the lousy picture, and since they are very small, hence have circled them in RED