maybe you should get a nice set up for shrimp only, cause they are better with it self, if there are fish around, the shrimp will hide and you can not see them, so keep in a shrimp tank, so the tank with 15 cardinal, 1 adult white cloud, 3 otos, 2 yamatos can set as a planted tank. by the way don't said old bird seniors most of us not that old.
for planted tank, you can ask around in here there are alot of experience planted tank people who as a set up in here
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