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Thread: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

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    Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

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    Hi Guys!

    Hope you guys can provide some advise..

    Recently, I noticed my plants starts to melts drastically and all my guppies are swimming at the top of the tank and my cories and ottos are always "rushing" up to the top for air..it just happen overnight after routine bi-weekly water change.

    Can any experts give me some tips on what is happening to my tank?


    Size of tank
    Dimension - 60CM (L) X 30CM (W) X 33.5CM (H)
    Capacity - 60L.
    Filter - 2080
    Pressurized CO2 tank.

    pH - 7
    gH - 7.4

    BR,
    JJ..

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Do you switch on CO2 24hr? Another possible also too much CO2. You need to specify more on your setup and some pictures would be great.

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Need more info bro
    How old is the setup? fertilizer dosing, light wattage, substrate, CO2 level, etc
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    This red tiger lotus was taken before the water change, now it have about 4-5 leaves and still melting away..and not to mentioned, hair algaes started to bloom at the top of the moss..

    CO2 - 1 bps
    Fertilizer - Interpet Fertilizer, weekly dose after water change.
    Setup - Coming to 4 months old.

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    JJ, may I ask, did you dechlorinate your tap water before the water change? Some plants will react badly to the chloramine present in tap water. Also, is there sufficient water movement at the surface layer for gaseous exchange? Corydoras do not rush to the water's surface to gulp air unless there is insufficient oxygen in the water.
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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Hi Stormhawk,

    Yes I did! , I use Interpet products for most of the water treatment solution.

    Bi-weekly water routine also includes;

    1) Fresh Start
    2) Flora Boost
    3) Filter Aid
    4) Liquisil General Tonic

    5) and pH solution to adjust the water to the right pH level.
    Last edited by jj_jawn; 9th Feb 2010 at 17:09.

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    You clean your filter? What is your water temperature?

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Hi Blue,

    Yup, my filter are clean every at the end of every month, bio home and filter sponge are rinsed using the water from the tank, As for the temperature, I'm didnt have the equipment measure this.
    Last edited by jj_jawn; 9th Feb 2010 at 16:54.

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Your setup is only 4 months old, you do not need to clean your filter so often, at this time your bacterial just took off only. I only clean my filter every 3-6 months, your plant help to remove toxic from the water column unless is a bare tank keeping fish only. I believe you might have kill some bacterial causing some minor ammonia strike or perhaps you have disturb the gravel.. As for your plant, either your tank temperature is on the high side or your plant are hunger for nutrients and CO2 which is not well dissolve into the water column. Do check your water temperature. You don't want to cook them like vegetable soup. Wondering you have any ferts below your gravel beside lapis sand you're using?
    Last edited by blue33; 9th Feb 2010 at 17:21.

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    Hey, sorry to sidetrack, can I know the name of the plant in your foreground?

    Thanks man!

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Hi Blue,

    Okay, side track abit, even if i wash the filters using the water which I siphoned out from the tank will also cause disturbance to the bacteria?

    I also faced some algae problems which is why I'm trying not to overdose the ferts, is this right?

    Hi Tangjyd,

    I'm sorry, I lousy at plants name, really cannot help you on this..anyone else can help?

    JJ..

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Yes it will cause disturbance to the bacteria. If you have to clean anything in the 2080, only the fine filter pad should be rinsed. The rest should be left as they were.

    Try not to use the liquid for buffering the pH. If anything, some coral chips left in a filter bag somewhere in the filter, or outside, will aid in buffering the pH. Temperature is important too, like what blue33 has said. If the temperature rises above 30 deg Celsius, some fishes will behave oddly. The maximum that most fishes will tolerate is around 31-32. Any higher and they will start dying. Problem with warm tanks is that there is less dissolved oxygen. Perhaps adding some cooling fans, or getting a chiller will help in not only making the tank more conducive for plant growth, but also in making it comfortable for the fish.

    All you need now is a normal aquarium thermometer with the red liquid inside, or get a digital thermometer like the one from GEX. Either one works. Plus if it is possible, increase aeration by creating more movement at the water surface, or getting an airstone or a diffuser attachment for your 2080's output with the venturi effect.

    http://www.eheimasiapacific.com/prod_e_acc_inst.html

    Scroll down that webpage to see the Diffuser, or get the Wide Jet Pipe for more surface agitation. I believe your fishes are not only suffering from high temperatures, but also from lack of oxygen.

    If you are changing water, try doing it at night or when it rains, when the water from the tap is usually cooler. Sometimes we do not measure the temperature of the water that comes out of the tap, but it is usually warm due to our climate. Alternatively, you can keep some bottles of water in the fridge, and use that to change water, but do it slowly so the fish can acclimatise to the cooler water. A sudden temperature change can freak them out.

    As for your algae problems, read this website to identify the algae, and read the entries to see how to deal with them.

    http://www.aquariumalgae.blogspot.com/
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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    When your plant melt, it releases the toxic that it absorbed back to the water column and causes algae boom, healthy plant will not invite algae. Algae is everywhere, they are waiting all the time to explode when things get wrong.

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Hi Storm,

    That's indeed some valuable advice from you, thank you. Talking about surface agitation, my outlet is something like from the website, but just a round pipe and the location of it is somewhere 1/4 from the top, pointing diagonally across the tank from the back left corner, what is your take on this? or do I have to really re-install it near to the surface of the water? I also understand that CO2 will be loss very quickly if there are too much surface agitation and I'm pretty confuse to balance this thing...

    Hi Blue,

    I see!

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    You have a very nice planted tank....

    I think you will find that there is a reason that professionally presented planted tanks never have guppies in them

    Guppies prefer hard alkaline water.....with a high conductivity(salt)
    this is at odds with a planted tanks that is dosed with co2

    An airstone would make the fish a lot happier....at the expense of co2

    If you what a high tech planted tank and Happy fish....do some research and find a more compatible specie to the water chemistry of your tank....or try an airstone when the lights are off and co2 is irrelavent but they will never be 100% happy IMO

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Hi Rod,

    Thank you!

    Well for the guppies..it's belongs to my dad-in-law, he likes fishes, especially guppies..and as he have retired, I setup this tank for him to pass time so he rears his fishes, whilst I take care of the plants, but somehow I still get a little worried if the fishes behaves strangely..

    But I'm really a noob at this, frankly speaking i just pick up this hobby recently, wanna use this small tank as a trial and learning tank, before I setup a big one for my new house..

    JJ.. :P

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    did you have base fert under your gravel? did you dose other fertilizer beside interpet flora boost? because flora boost does not add nitrate
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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Hi shadow,

    No additional supplies except Interpet Flora Boost..I'm now looking at Seachem Flourish to replace it..

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Those red tiger lotus need some gravel ferts ball like root monster etc... to get them kicking.

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    Re: Plants Melting, Guppies Staying On The Top Of Water..

    Quote Originally Posted by blue33 View Post
    Those red tiger lotus need some gravel ferts ball like root monster etc... to get them kicking.
    alright bro! I guess I shall start to look into these stuffs before CNY!!!

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