Another disaster: Iceberg breaks in Antarctica not where expected

**fotoudavid** · 28th Feb 2010, 12:29

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/ap/20100227...u-1be00ca.html

The world needs break.

**eddy planer** · 28th Feb 2010, 19:20

The world is going to be like movies 2012..this is symptom and sign that show our planet earth is dying slowly.

Better gear up , folks! spend more time on our beloved hobby and family till we all taken away from the total global warming, the greatest threat to life on earth. Entire populations and ecosystems are threatened by devastating impacts such as drought, heat waves, fires, floods, storms, and rising sea level (due to iceberg melting)

**fotoudavid** · 28th Feb 2010, 20:46

It will be faster then scientist predicted.

And i hope i will be gone by then, cannot bear to see people and families suffer, i rather go first.

**TyroneGenade** · 1st Mar 2010, 16:55

It is summer in the S. hemisphere. Ice melts. Ice sheets break. No big deal.

The real point is that scientists can't predict chaotic events (which stands to reason) such as when a break in an ice crystal will form, how a hurricane will move or how the climate will change.

Global warming has NO scientific basis. Greenland ice-sheets are thickening, polar bears are multiplying, arctic and antarctic ice sheets are thicker and larger than they were in the 1940s, there is NO correlation between CO2 and temperature over the last 150 years of recorded history. Ice core data tells us that CO2 levels increase 600-800 years after warming. This matches climate data showing the peak in the last warming cycle being in the 1200s.

Stop the global warming madness. Get Ian Plimmer's book: Heaven & Earth ( Amazon.com: Heaven and Earth: Global Warming, the Missing Science (9781589794726): Ian Plimer: Books ) and judge the data for yourself instead of listening to Al "I have no formal science training" Gore.

**stormhawk** · 2nd Mar 2010, 07:32

Originally Posted by TyroneGenade

The real point is that scientists can't predict chaotic events (which stands to reason) such as when a break in an ice crystal will form, how a hurricane will move or how the climate will change.

Neither can arm chair critics, or any other scientist for that matter no?

Dissenting views aside, it is obvious that we are facing problems. If global warming does not exist or is not happening, I'd like the cool temperatures of yesteryear back. Because right now, 35 degrees Celsius and a super dry period here due to the El Nino effect, is no joke.

You can call it the work of a higher power, or some other unknown force, that is behind all the havoc in our weather systems lately, but I do believe that more is at play than what we are seeing currently.

If you think Al Gore is a joke, that is probably a view shared by several others. But it's just like people who believe in fantasies. You can't stop them if they like it.

OT: I read your lengthy "shortish blurb" on religion and science. Granted, that is your own view, but it sure is full of potholes.

**edwardchuajh** · 2nd Mar 2010, 12:07

Well,

The planet is indeed getting warmer, and being in Singapore, I really wish it wasn't =P hottest/driest month in past 140yrs? HELP~ (giving the fact that I previously spent 6 months in Finland, I'd gladly take -13deg cold over this anytime)

But I also do feel that humans are attributing too much to ourselves, and perhaps CO2 is contributing, but it could just be the natural course of the planet's change, and not solely on human's actions.

**eddy planer** · 2nd Mar 2010, 12:29

Originally Posted by edwardchuajh

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perhaps CO2 is contributing, but it could just be the natural course of the planet's change, and not solely on human's actions.

So we need to aware that we been using too much C02 for our planted tanks will change the planet natural course, if we want to save the world, we must forgo C02 to focus the low tech planted tanks

**edwardchuajh** · 2nd Mar 2010, 13:24

aiya, not true, total CO2 produced by hobbyists is not even 0.0000000000...0001% of power plant/factories or car emissions.. plus some of the CO2 is used by the plants in our tank and released as O2! LOL

best is everyone should sell their cars and walk! haha

**TyroneGenade** · 2nd Mar 2010, 17:12

Originally Posted by stormhawk

OT: I read your lengthy "shortish blurb" on religion and science. Granted, that is your own view, but it sure is full of potholes.

Indeed. I have no doubt it will need revision as I continue to analyse my ideas (Socrates: the unexamined life isn't worth living).* This is science: revising old ideas and not believing that what came before is correct. Go buy Plimmer's book and challenge your ideas about global warming (Descarte: If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things). The best data we have says there is NO increase in temperature since 1998 (and El Nino year) but a decline instead which, surprise surprise, coincides with the cooling part of the 22 year solar cycle as well as the 80-90 year Gleissberg cycle. Also, we are at the cusp of the 1500 year climate cycle which has been constant for 90 000 years (ice cores, stalactite/stalagmite, pollen and spore data etc...). The evidence for this is presented in Plimmer's book in much greater detail. What is also covered is the "Heat Island Effect" which, simply put, says that cities trap heat and are thus warmer than the surrounds. As almost all functioning weather stations are in or near cities today (particularly hot airports) it is no wonder that these stations show an increase in temperature and people in cities feel hotter while the satellite data (which is orders of magnitude more accurate) show a decline in temperature.

Those who religiously believe in global warming will claim that there has been 0.4°C to 0.8°C but the error related to using a thermometer (as used in the afore mentioned weather stations) is 0.5°C meaning that the standard error of measurement is as large as the supposed trend. The data shown in my thesis (which is on my website) has standard errors which constitute as much as 1/6th of the of the average value are already shockingly huge (so huge one actually couldn't hope to publish it in a properly peer reviewed journal which is why I didn't). There is no scientific basis to claim that there is any rise in temperature over the last 100 years. There is also no correlation between CO2 and temperature over the last 100 years but there is an excellent correlation between temperature and solar cycles.

* I look forward to comments on the web blurb in order to refine my thinking. I can't anticipate all ends to my reasoning and post ideas so as to benefit from the ideas of others. Alone we die. Together we grow.

**stormhawk** · 2nd Mar 2010, 17:30

As they say, there will always be those who believe, and those who don't. Even if global warming is just a "hoax" cooked up by conspiracy theorists, there is no doubt that we are facing problems worldwide. Perhaps the bigger issue here is not so much about global warming, but rather overpopulation.

Perhaps, in the near future, we will start to colonise the other planets, and maybe then Star Wars will become a reality of sorts.

**TyroneGenade** · 2nd Mar 2010, 17:41

Originally Posted by stormhawk

Even if global warming is just a "hoax" cooked up by conspiracy theorists, there is no doubt that we are facing problems worldwide.

Yes! We are facing many BIG and real problems. I am totally against coal power (I never used to be but new evidence changed that). The smog from coal and open fires causes many health problems. Oil refineries are causing health problems all around the world as well and there is strong evidence that these problems will be passed on to our children at a genetic level (see http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...jkey=bgS/LMPds as just one example paper). Here in South Africa we have a serious problem with acid mine drainage where the old coal and gold mines fill with water which reacts with the rock to form sulfuric acid which then leaches out heavy metals. Many rivers are getting poisoned with acid, cadmium, uranium, strontium etc... This is BIG problem from which there is no coming back.

Perhaps, in the near future, we will start to colonise the other planets, and maybe then Star Wars will become a reality of sorts.

Well, those will be interesting times

I'm for solar power all the way! The short term costs will be horrendous but the long term cost will be much cheaper than space colonization.

**stormhawk** · 2nd Mar 2010, 18:16

That is one thing I'll agree with you on. Solar power should be developed commercially, at a reasonable price. Right now I guess, the cost of wiring up a home is what prevents most people from even considering solar power.

Coal power is indeed not a very clean source of electrical generation. I believe in Singapore we mostly rely on using natural gas, rather than coal fired plants. The effects of coal power plants can be seen in China I think, since I believe coal power forms the bulk of their electricity supply.