What is Tiger Lotus???

[lorba]

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On 6/21/2003 8:45:05 AM
which aspect of my Mandarin are u refering to?

If u are saying He and Her, I can accept it as my Pinyin is just direct translation from English.

but if u are saying the flower of a lotus plant (lian hua) is call (He hua) I maintain that I am right.

If yr Mandarin is that good, u will understand that He Hua means river flower, meaning any flower growing in the river. Lilies and Lotus are just one of them.

I think it's rather unfriendly to ask ppl to go "brush up his Mandarin" just because his ideas dun agree with yours.

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Not doubting your standard of mandarin, but i think choy means



instead of

[wahboy]

hello David,

i know which one you're talking about. petmart sells it now.

sorry it was my mistake. i thought queen of siam is the one we are talking about. didn't know queen of siam was actually n.micrantha aka 4 colour lotus.

thanks David, mistake noted.

Wayne Wah

[vinz]

Errrmmm... I was actually disputing that Queen of Siam is 4-colour lotus.

I thought we call N. micarantha "spotted" 4-colour lotus. and Queen of Siam is another plant.

Anyone else can comment on this?

[hwchoy]

sorry Simon, no debate going on, just pointing out this "river flower" mistake that's all.

Lorba, thanks much for your pictures, kuat siaz. Interestingly, if you put the water radical onto the "lotus" character you will get "mint" right? I have hardly use any mandarin in more than 20 years since leaving school, but I notice these days more and more wrong-words (same sound different character) are being used, not just by people and students but even in newsprints, TV subtitles, etc.

BUT, we should get back to the plants… []

[hwchoy]

why don't we get good close up of our tiger lotus leaves (better if you get the flowers) and we compile a good catalogue? I find the current plant catalogue does not show enough details and the picture shows an entire plant and you can't really see the texture of the leaves. I have two kinds of so called red tiger lotus, but one is a thin-smooth leaved version and the other has thicker-bulate (i.e. wavy wavy) leaves. I know the thin leaved version has pink flowers with a bright yellow centre, about 8-in across, haven't see the flower of the other one yet.

[hwchoy]

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On 6/20/2003 11:56:16 AM


the best part is that none of these are actually lotus! they are all waterlilies [:0]


Hiya Choy, why must you always make me laugh like that..... at first was the tail bone and tail "joke", now you catch someone who is trying to explain things clearly. now we know who the real Seafu is!

lotus belongs to the nelumbo family. The ones we have belong to the nymphae family.

Wayne Wah



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Wayne, how's things? I wasn't trying to be funny lah, but to point out how we sarbo ourselves by calling waterlilies "tiger lotus" [:] Anyway like you said, they're from a different genus, but I recall some of the "waterlilies" or "tiger lotus" are from the genus Nuphar right? At least that's according to this taiwanese plant book, but then I don't trust their scientific names at all.

[lorba]

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On 6/21/2003 12:42:11 PM

why don't we get good close up of our tiger lotus leaves (better if you get the flowers) and we compile a good catalogue? I find the current plant catalogue does not show enough details and the picture shows an entire plant and you can't really see the texture of the leaves. I have two kinds of so called red tiger lotus, but one is a thin-smooth leaved version and the other has thicker-bulate (i.e. wavy wavy) leaves. I know the thin leaved version has pink flowers with a bright yellow centre, about 8-in across, haven't see the flower of the other one yet.
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That will be splendid. It could be compiled into a nice article for AQ's use?

No point talking, let's do it. Anyway with some good photographying skill wanna contribute the pics? And who will the expert to do some experience logging? I can help to host the lilies pic if you dont have one.

[vinz]

We can start with just the pics of the leaves and flowers first. Add other info as we go along.

[hwchoy]

yah let's start collecting, can even include the allied species such as the spatterdock (spelling?) Nupha sp. and so on… however we should set some kind of image criterion since this would be used for identification purposes. For each species we should have at least the following:

• submersed leaf
• floating leaf
• tuber or root area (if no tuber)
• flower (probably a bit tough)

we should capture this at the highest resolution possible without compression, and preferably taken with macro mode so as to allow us to see the texture properly. The full resolution image should be saved (we should have a depository, storage is cheap, I can offer to store and burn on CD) as the master image, and from there we can generate smaller (cropped or compressed) working copies for display and other uses.

Should we have pictures of BOTH sides of the leaves?

[Simon]

lets see some action [] so when can we see contributions.. what better then to have hobbist compile a book(article) comprising for all aspect for a certain species.

ok guys, lets talk in a new thread, and not spoilt this thread

[eric_kclee]

Hi everyone look at this picture

Lotus From PetMart
If link fail: http://www20.brinkster.com/ericlee/trash/siam.jpg

I don't care what is this, I change my mind and bought this instead of red tiger lotus.

David, you say this is 4 color....I doubt so.
Wahboy, thanks for the tips about petmart.
Aquaman,
after I see this, red tiger lotus is nothing, rainbow was selling on 3 pots of Red Tiger Lotus on last friday.

Can someone tell us this species if this is not Queen of Siam as claim by petmart?

[hwchoy]

Eric, can make the pic bigger, all the lotus look the same if you stand far away. [:]

[eric_kclee]

hwchoy,
per your request,

http://www20.brinkster.com/ericlee/trash/siam2.jpg


he..he..
now I can look at it as many time as I like, now in my tank already.

[kennedy_ng]

If you all want photos of lotus can get lots of pictures from those pond guide .I think they have over 20 varieties in the book. Should be easy to look in mph or other bookstores

[hwchoy]

Eric, looks some what like the one I have in my tank which I call the Red Tiger Lotus "Thin-Leaf". The mottling on the leaves is variable and mine has range from fine speckle (like yours) to coarser (like now, which I will be posting in a while), but the underside and its tendency to be "bowl"-like makes me think they're the same. I got mine from Teo. This is a different plant from those Thick-leaved ones that shown in Gen-X and other places, which I also have got from others in the forum.

You say this is the Queen-of-Siam? It is definitely not the four-colour (which sprouts plantlets from parent leaf-stalk, I believe), this plant (mine) has never produced any runner nor plantlet, and it has flowered once, which is dark pink with yellow centre.

The thick-leaved version produces a lot of plantlets by runner.

[David]

yup..that's the one.....I be going to petmart....[]

[eric_kclee]

David,
'thats the one' what?
Somemore with cheeky smile...keep people in suspense.


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[eric_kclee]

sorry, is there a way to undo a accidental double post.
Computer click the 2nd time itself.....not me...sorry




David,
'thats the one' what?
Somemore with cheeky smile...keep people in suspense.


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[hwchoy]

Eric, if your leaves can marikita out of water then must be different. So this is the Queen of Siam huh? You can take a look at mine in the "collection", see the new thread on lotus database. You can also checkout my tank in the tank gallery, it shows this monster submersed leaf reaching to the surface, you'll see it form a "bowl". []

[eric_kclee]

Really MARIKITA on land leh.. somemore is holding up position (not upside down)...believe or not?

Want me to show?

Eh,...Choy,
I think s different leh, maybe close relative...
because the BOWL style is different.

And most importantly, the surface leaf is also distinctly different (I have no pic, need to go petmart)

I saw the Lily/Lotus thread.
Choy, since both the Red Tiger Lotus-Thick and Thin leave are taken. Where do I stand huh?
Don't dare to post leh, b'cos no place to stand.

Is it Queen of Siam or not? I really don't know..PETMART say so...not me.