Liverwort ID/ Could it be Mini or Coral pellia?

**punkytin** · 7th Jul 2010, 23:10

Hi all,
Just wanted to get your opinions on what this plant could be. By the looks of it, I'm guessing it's coral pellia, but I'm not sure. The block is very compact, coarse, and hard, which made me think twice if it is, indeed, mini pellia. I'm not sure if it was grown emersed or submersed. I pulled the block apart and took pictures of the individual "leaves." Thanks!

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**Navanod** · 8th Jul 2010, 00:19

Looks like it...except that the leaves looked thinner and slimmer than what I had seen

**eviltrain** · 8th Jul 2010, 00:26

actually coral pelia and mini pelia is the same thing, just that they grow differently in different environment.

**k3nlim** · 8th Jul 2010, 00:40

Originally Posted by eviltrain

actually coral pelia and mini pelia is the same thing, just that they grow differently in different environment.

Can you elaborate in what environment will they grow differently?

**eviltrain** · 8th Jul 2010, 00:47

erm.. cool water temperature + good lighting ( 2.5wpg) will grow bigger fonds
slightly higher temperature + mid lighting (1.5wpg) will make the fond thinner.
need to play around and you will know. hee hee

**k3nlim** · 8th Jul 2010, 01:19

there are bros that are growing mini pelia in cool water and with high lights condition but yet still remains as the "mini pelia" that we usually seen. Coral pelia aka Monselenium Tenerum while "mini pelia" aka Riccardia chamedryfolia. Any other bros can help on this? Thanks.

**punkytin** · 8th Jul 2010, 07:18

From what I've been reading online, mini pellia (Riccardia chamedryfolia) is grown in cooler water, around 25C. Just read from a tropica site yesterday that coral pellia (Riccardia graffei) can grow in up to 28C. But I can believe it's possible that they are the same, with different forms in different temps. Was surprised because the big piece I got was hard and coarse, like a dry scotchbrite sponge. Was expecting mini pellia to be soft and fragile.

**magpie** · 8th Jul 2010, 08:17

Originally Posted by punkytin

From what I've been reading online, mini pellia (Riccardia chamedryfolia) is grown in cooler water, around 25C. Just read from a tropica site yesterday that coral pellia (Riccardia graffei) can grow in up to 28C. But I can believe it's possible that they are the same, with different forms in different temps. Was surprised because the big piece I got was hard and coarse, like a dry scotchbrite sponge. Was expecting mini pellia to be soft and fragile.

Mini-pelia may not necessary to be soft and fragile. The reason why mini-pelia looks different in form and was hard and coarse was due to the water parameter that the plant is kept in. Cold temperatue is essential.

**timebomb** · 8th Jul 2010, 13:06

Coral and Mini-Pellia are likely the same plant but we can't be sure. The truth is, even the botanists are not sure.

Read this post to find out more.

Loh K L

**k3nlim** · 8th Jul 2010, 17:06

I have a piece of normal coral pelia in my tank now. Water is cool around 26 and slightly acidic due to the gex soil. So far it still remain the same

**andrewtyr** · 8th Jul 2010, 19:29

coral pelia was a trade name I made up when I was trading this plant some 4,5 years ago. I got it through a plant trader from Indonesia back then, it's exactly the type TS posted.

**punkytin** · 8th Jul 2010, 20:50

Originally Posted by timebomb

Coral and Mini-Pellia are likely the same plant but we can't be sure. The truth is, even the botanists are not sure.

Read this post to find out more.

Loh K L

Very informative post, Timebomb! Thanks for re-directing. Anyways, I do hope it is mini pellia, as I have been searching high and low for this. Next challenge is to keep it alive. It is very, very compact right now, and each individual leaf structure is not seen unless you take it apart.

Tin