Calling all White's Tree Frog Owners

[David Moses Heng]

I would heed caution before doing this.
I see no sense in giving people the liberty to obtain sensitive pets that they see as cheap trinkets; nor to the same people who still put terrapins in 1 gallon critter keepers.


If pro-exotic keeping legislation is passed, the standards for keeping and respect of these pets by Singaporeans must also pass. Let's not end up like other countries with abused frogs in petstore chains.

Thank you for opening my eyes to another angle which I failed to see.

[reborn4ever]

Urgent please advise...

[issacyeo]

Anyone knows where to get those big black crickets for the frogs? polyart's black crix are really small...

try ST39. they are starting to breed crickets. steady stock will be ready in about 2 week's time.

[lyc]

The ultimate way to avoid pet abuse is not to allow any pet but can we accept that? All those so called legislation is useless cause it is hard to implement or monitor. Education won't help much too as it all depend mostly on the owner responsibility.

[dkk08]

The ultimate way to avoid pet abuse is not to allow any pet but can we accept that? All those so called legislation is useless cause it is hard to implement or monitor. Education won't help much too as it all depend mostly on the owner responsibility.

So may I ask you if you are the authorities what can you do or what will you do? Education is the only way to go, it's the same thing that's happening for the White's Treefrogs... Proper education of the shop owner selling the frogs as well as proper education of the folks that are buying and keeping the frogs... how to educate? Well if you have visited AVA's website or actually talk to an AVA officer you will know how...

Like what bro Delhezi said, many may have done their research online but then it is only "in theory"... those who have experience with frogs or the White's Treefrogs should know that there is a lot and I mean a lot of trial and error to be done along the way... there is no perfect way to keep an animal that may have come from the wild...

Owner responsibility is something we all cannot control... it is the same thing that's happening to the shrimps scene now... if one day sellers and buyers reach that level we will have to take actions as well... If you put yourself in AVA's shoes you will do the same thing too... keep hyping on Education Education Education...

And it is definitely not easy to get AVA to approve another species of pet... we tried 15-20 years ago petitioning, getting vets and professors to support us, Journalist interviewed us and articles were published in the papers... you would not have guess the response from the public... the public outcry was very very obvious, they weren't ready... the number of threats we received after the articles were published were also very obvious, they weren't ready... if you ask why? It's because of Education and responsibility... who wants to educate the public? the amount of resources spend on educating the public comes from where? who wants to be responsible for educating the public? Schools? Media? Forums?

[69efan69]

Urgent please advise...

that looks kinda bad ..

seek help from the people here : http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/

bunch of experience people there. hope itll help!

[delhezi]

The ultimate way to avoid pet abuse is not to allow any pet but can we accept that? All those so called legislation is useless cause it is hard to implement or monitor. Education won't help much too as it all depend mostly on the owner responsibility.

Oh certainly. My approach is one of authoritative control of the trade; of course, you have the debate over things such as minority rights, majority vote and the government...but I'd say we keep things relevant here.

If we force pet owners to purchase pets with the exact equipment to go along with it, it will exclude those who wish to take a short cut route. The money can perhaps go to parties who could benefit on the same wavelength, for instance, the zoological gardens. Just a brief idea.

[cherabin]

Hi 69efan69, how do you actually drain the excess water out from the tank? For my tank after prolonged constant misting, the 'ground' would eventually get flooded and I utilize a false bottom constructed from egg crate and siphon off the water using an air hose.

Hands 'itchy' and might want to try clay pellets for irrigation and soil substrate above

[raytan12]

where can i get white tree frog?

[delhezi]

where can i get white tree frog?

You can have yourself a long session of good research and preparation whilst you wait for it to be re-legalised...

[reborn4ever]

that looks kinda bad ..

seek help from the people here : http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/

bunch of experience people there. hope itll help!

Thank 69efan69

[Don90]

Thank you for opening my eyes to another angle which I failed to see.

you also have to prepare to go against ACRES. IMO ACRES is very anti-exotics. Hard to educate the public with such anti-exotics organisations going against you.

[delhezi]

you also have to prepare to go against ACRES. IMO ACRES is very anti-exotics. Hard to educate the public with such anti-exotics organisations going against you.

Acres is an organisation of vegetarians proclaiming to be the saviours of the world, in my opinion.

I am hoping that the AVA does eventually do the appropriate licensing and places responsibility on the shoulders of exotic pet keepers.

[felix_fx2]

Acres is an organisation of vegetarians proclaiming to be the saviours of the world, in my opinion.

I am hoping that the AVA does eventually do the appropriate licensing and places responsibility on the shoulders of exotic pet keepers.

What has vegetarians got to do with ACRES?

When the public is ready, for current and future hobbyist. The gates not floodgates will open.

Alot of things in Singapore is controlled. But that is also a blessing compared to other countries. (that's why some of my foreign colleagues who settled here say. "everything is just so.... Organized. Just submit a proper request with valid backing and pay some money. Everything ok").

Exotics not good topic to speak thou. As I firmly say, too many are not ready to keep them. Seem too many lousy keepers with the all talk no action already.

delhezi bro, there's a big lacking of hobbyist with lasting passion in this niche frog market to bring it higher.

[delhezi]

It doesn't have to become a large market if you don't attempt to make it one.

For the benefit of exotic welfare, I'd rather a small group of licensed individuals who are subject to some sort of regular check.

About vegetarians...if I remember, most of the higher executives are vegetarians. This appears to be, to some extent, a dominant feature in their thought that manifests in a stronger anti-animal "abuse" motto. Protecting animal rights may be right, but protecting animal rights just because you're vegetarian isn't. Just my 5 cents.

[felix_fx2]

For the benefit of exotic welfare, I'd rather a small group of licensed individuals who are subject to some sort of regular check.

About vegetarians...if I remember, most of the higher executives are vegetarians. This appears to be, to some extent, a dominant feature in their thought that manifests in a stronger anti-animal "abuse" motto. Protecting animal rights may be right, but protecting animal rights just because you're vegetarian isn't. Just my 5 cents.

Then it becomes a very very niche market hahah

One of my close friend is a vegetarian. Not due to religion but after he saw a certain video of animal processing.
This may explain why their stricter (but we are more strict then 70% of the world), but it's their job to prevent dangerous critters from showing up all over the place...

[delhezi]

Then it becomes a very very niche market hahah

One of my close friend is a vegetarian. Not due to religion but after he saw a certain video of animal processing.
This may explain why their stricter (but we are more strict then 70% of the world), but it's their job to prevent dangerous critters from showing up all over the place...

Niche market is a good thing. One might expect that the interest in exotics is comparatively low versus the same enthusiasm for cute puppies. Additionally, any deviating interest looking out for economic returns can also be dissuaded. Of course, this is all down to the basis that we want exotics to be well kept.

Perfectly fine to be vegetarian. But keeping one's illogical belief to oneself is one thing, attempting to enforce it over someone else is another. To me, the latter is what ACRES's underlying agenda is.

It is true that in some sense, their assistance in helping to keep out exotic keepers for the time being is very useful, at least until a proper legislative system can be set up for true enthusiasts.

[raytan12]

Then it becomes a very very niche market hahah

One of my close friend is a vegetarian. Not due to religion but after he saw a certain video of animal processing.
This may explain why their stricter (but we are more strict then 70% of the world), but it's their job to prevent dangerous critters from showing up all over the place...

hmmmm but pls allow me to share something, how safe can our vegetables be we won't know. Now lots of vegetables are flown in from...( where infants' powdered milk even contains mercury)... so I cannot really imagine all the chemicals in those pesticides. Those vegetables sold in supermarkets are "near immaculate" without any holes made by bugs and worms. Like what my mum says "eat this also die, eat that also die, might as well just eat"... Unless he intends to go organic only.

[AhVy]

Hi all White's Tree Frog owners..

Does anyone know if it is okay to use dried ketapang leaves as substrate for them?




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[raytan12]

My froggies are well fed... 2 of them are croaking few times at night, but both of them are different sounds. could it be a male and a female?