Interbreeding between different agassizii

[mobile2007]

Hi

Has anyone try breeding between 2 different agassizzi species? Currently i have agassizii " cacadora" female and "alenquer" male and wonder whether will they breed.

First try, the female cacadola very eager to mate with the male alenquer. Somehow, the response from male alenquer seems to be very passive and get pushed and picked on his finnage by the female cacadola. As i just got the alenquer, maybe the alenquer still not yet used to the water and environment. Will let the alenquer adapted to the environment before next trial.

[exotic_idiot]

I have not try before but read in the past thread that it's possible..
Maybe the color come out will be different from the parents?
You find past thread got bros manage to inter breed..

[mobile2007]

Thanks bro. Any idea which thread ?

Anyway, i read from some website that different locality of agassizii can be interbreed. But whether easy or not, never read about it.

Will try again, and see what's the result since i got 2 different locality.

[Zenislev]

Bro, any updates???

[mobile2007]

You mean update on the breeding? If so, still at a early stage. I am letting the male alenquer to be more comfortable with the setting, next let them develop some feeling with a tank divider ( bonding) . This will probably take quite a few days for the pair to mate. If they do, i will update over here.

[exotic_idiot]

Thanks bro. Any idea which thread ?

Anyway, i read from some website that different locality of agassizii can be interbreed. But whether easy or not, never read about it.

Will try again, and see what's the result since i got 2 different locality.

Hi bro, you search under "Jacian" he mix before.. Aga flamingo n tefe?
Any bros still remember?

[stormhawk]

You can probably cross two localities of agassizii with one another, but the resulting fry may not give the intended results. However, if you cross them and have too many fry to sell off, the question now is, what locality will the fry be sold as? This is why sometimes crossing them may not be a good idea.

[exotic_idiot]

Good question..! You can name it Aga caca x alen?
Sometimes not that adviceable to interbred but got no choice very hard to find replacement..

[mobile2007]

well, naming is the least problem to me. I can name them as agassizii "mobile" haha

Anyway, i don't know why , the female "cacadola" seems to go crazy. It turned into yellowish breeding by itself when i placed a mirror in the tank not too long ago. Now it remains in that mood and very aggressive. The second time i put the male alenquer in, the sissy alenquer has no fight for the small little cacadola. got wacked upside down.

I saw the thread by jacian. It's a "flamingo" X "red". Some fries resembled the "red", some "flamingo", probably some mix feature.

[exotic_idiot]

Yup.. Give them a bit of time.. Condition well first, don't rush them..
Haha now you got to heal the male first any heavy injure? If not let it recover but itself..

[mobile2007]

The male is alright, only suffered a very small torn at the tail finnage. Currently, I have put them into a 1 feet tank, the situation appears to be good. Hopefully the female cacadola understand that no other choice is available.

BTW, i actually got a hybrid sneaker alenquer male from c328. Judging from the color and finnage, likely to be a cross between alenquer and red. The tail finnage come with a taint of red and the usual alenquer pattern, dorsal is red at the edge.

[stormhawk]

mobile, u ever noticed some of the Alenquer at the stores are beginning to show short bodies? I was like wondering why this male Alenquer I saw at C328 was shorter than usual.

Too many sneakers these days. Good luck with your experiment. Should be interesting to see what the fry will turn out to be, if it works. I was thinking that since each population of aga, the males have a different tail pattern, perhaps the females only recognise males according to that tail pattern.

[mobile2007]

Yeah. Some of them seems to have a fatter body and smaller tail finnage. My guess is, the farm pump them up too fast, probably with tubifex. The other reason, might be due to too much inbreeding.

In fact, i got another pair of T.candidi, also turned out to be sneaker.

Hmm, good question you raised. How the female suppose to know that they belong to the same species or locality? By secretion of certain hormone? Tail pattern or color? Just wondering too.

[stormhawk]

I am of the opinion that the farms feed them with growth hormones in the food along with high protein foods like tubifex. Inbreeding is possible too but with a large spawning group that should not occur. Then again who knows what the farms do.

It is likely that the females recognise certain physical traits of the males from their species/locality. That is why you can have 2-3 species of Apistogramma that would probably not interbreed in a community tank. For example, keeping caca with nijsenni/panduro and candidi in a large 4-5 ft tank. I think there is a study before on how cichlids recognise their mates and color was stated as a factor. I just cannot find the document at this point of time. Hormones secreted into the water by the fish play a role too I think.

[mobile2007]

Ok, stormhawk, thanks for the info. I can search on the internet for the relevant article.

BTW, i think the "alenquer" male and female "cacadola" are not developing any chemical. Usual chasing by the male, don't see any friendly body sign from the female to the male. Most likely this breeding might failed. But i will just leave them inside the tank, let the heaven decide.

I saw another hybrid "alenquer" male again at Y618. It's kind of ugly, with its tail tainted with a slight patch of red. Those getting better watch out.

[exotic_idiot]

Maybe next time we have shortbody apistogramma hybrid..?
Interesting..

[doppelbanddwarf]

I saw a short body agassizii alenquer male with small patches of red in the fins just the other day. I think there's nothing wrong with interbreeding them, as long as they are not sold as pure strains to other hobbyists. I myself tried to breed an agassizii fire red male with an agassizii female of super red variant but somehow the eggs were all infertile.

[stormhawk]

So our assumptions are somewhat right. That the farms breeding the Alenquer aga are actually churning out shorter bodied individuals. Oddly their colors are pretty nice. Then again Asian farms are known to feed fish with hormones to induce faster growth and nicer colors.

exotic,

It seems inevitable that someday we might see short-bodied apistos for sale, especially from the more commonly seen species. The quality of fishes supplied to the LFS are dropping IMO. On the other hand, at least wild-caught fish seem a better bet for serious breeders. Still, those cheaper common Apistos are good for starters.