Gan's = Am i mistaken?

[vinz]

Nah, it's a gold stripe... above the black. I'm sure its not sheen as it's visible from too many angles.

[xxdivinityxx]

Then if Gan is notorious for making such mistakes, can we get replacements or do we live with it.. I feel like a suckker.. drove all the way down to LCK from bishan just to get conned.

[budak]

I wouldn't put the blame solely on Gan - many LFS elsewhere make the same mistake oftentimes. Neither would I see Gan as a notorious mistake maker - I feel his real expertise in South American fishes, and his mostly unbeatable bargains for them, far outweights any ID-ing mistakes with Southeast Asian species.

Just take it as a lesson many hobbyists undergo (including myself).

[theodore]

I will feel like a SUCKER if I overpaid for fishes and plants - Ever saw the price of a piece of mini riccia in Serangoon North?

I will feel like an expected-to-be-spoonfed IDIOT if I have no clue what the heck I'm buying.

[hwchoy]

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On 9/18/2003 5:07:19 PM

Nah, it's a gold stripe... above the black. I'm sure its not sheen as it's visible from too many angles.
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I'd love to see it or pics! [:0] [:] when are you gonna contribute more pics to my collection huh?

[geoffrey]

Your were not fleeced by Gan. It's difficult to tell SAE and Flying Fox apart. Even people in Qian Hu couldn't tell them apart. It just need an experienced eye.

Look at it this way, there are some less fortunate ones, made to think they just bought a new strain of LH but turns out to be an oversized Oscar. Right Budak : ) - that's what I call ripped-off!

[budak]

i must violently disagree with you Geoffrey.

Getting an oversized oscar instead of a new strain LH doesn't sound like rip-off at all to me! A tilapia maybe, but not the evergreen Astronotus!

[hwchoy]

I'd rather have an oversized anything than an LH [] [] []

however, back to the subject of SAE, I would say they are not difficult to distinguish at all, under proper viewing conditions. however the holding tanks at Gan's and perhaps QH are not what you would call optimal, so I'd give them some leeway. however what I don't understand is that these fishes are bred (I think so) so there shouldn't be this much contaminant. I believe the fish farm or perhaps the fish collectors (if wild caught) do not know exactly what an SAE should be (don't be too surprise to hear this, they bred or collect fish for a living, they don't study them) and thus has been passing off foxes as SAE, in all honesty.

[bleez]

since its sometimes quite hard to differentiate flying fox n sae under when it is stressed, the best way would b to look at its barbels. SAEs hav only 1 set while flying foxes have 2.....

[vinz]

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On 9/18/2003 5:53:42 PM

Your were not fleeced by Gan. It's difficult to tell SAE and Flying Fox apart. Even people in Qian Hu couldn't tell them apart. It just need an experienced eye.

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I'm surprised how in-experienced the farms and shops are given that they see so many of them! Once you've positively identified one, it's quite hard to mistake adult SAEs for anything else. You only have to get it right once, and you're set.

[hwchoy]

absolutely right there, vinz. bleez, if you can't see the other characteristics, chances are you wouldn't be able to count the barbels too, especially the young ones. for very young SAE I check their heads by looking at them about 45° from the front top, their head should look like they're wearing helmets. [:] very hard to describe until you see it.

[williamng]

Guys

My green neon got a very faint red strip below the blue...Are they neon tetra??

[hwchoy]

you saw the pics I posted in this thread, there is a faint red patch below, just the pics don't look red that's all. Don't worry, they are green neons

[xxdivinityxx]

I guess i'm not pissed off at Gan's seriously. It was an honest mistake i hope, but what i'm puzzled is that since this is not the first time happening, why doesn't anyone tell him, or have they and no action taken? and its pretty sad to see such a reputed farm make such mistakes. I'm sure his vast experience would at least give him the knowledge on how to differenciate..