Thailand bred Shrimps

[Navanod]

I didn't know we have EDMW type of clone accounts being used to sling mud at other forumers.
Lets see...grabbing free stuff from the marketplace, bickering and grilling people over prices and making one liners...yup, clone

Even started a 1 post wonder in another forum to post the exact same thing posted here. Classy.

[gryphon]

I do appreciate Berber's very kind gesture to help bring back such nice PRLs.

In my own opinion, it would be appropriate for Berber to have some slight mark up considering that he has to make a trip to the place, do proper packing to help the shrimps survive the flight in check-in luggage.

The problem is if *touch wood* there are casualties, do and would the buyer pay for it? Some nasty buyers might even accuse Berber that he pass off his dead shrimps or some normal dead CRS as the Thailand ones and refuse to pay. In the end reputation affected and money lost.

Previously I went HongKong to look for shrimps and some people asked me to help buy CRS, but I did not agree as it is the first time I am doing it and I do not know the person hence do not want to be in the above predicament.

[berber]

I do appreciate Berber's very kind gesture to help bring back such nice PRLs.

In my own opinion, it would be appropriate for Berber to have some slight mark up considering that he has to make a trip to the place, do proper packing to help the shrimps survive the flight in check-in luggage.

The problem is if *touch wood* there are casualties, do and would the buyer pay for it? Some nasty buyers might even accuse Berber that he pass off his dead shrimps or some normal dead CRS as the Thailand ones and refuse to pay. In the end reputation affected and money lost.

Previously I went HongKong to look for shrimps and some people asked me to help buy CRS, but I did not agree as it is the first time I am doing it and I do not know the person hence do not want to be in the above predicament.

thanks bro gryphon for being understanding, its alright,
thanks alot!

[whq]

This is not an easy task.. really require lots of trust. Very generous gesture of bro berber.

[Sulawesi]

bro if you dont know anything about pricing over PRL please do not give your inapropriate comments, as this money is a very sensitive issue, and if you are not interested please do not give your snide comments. thanks
if you are able to find PRL quality simalar to the picture at $20 i buy from you!

Just to make things clear,I am not being personal here.
What I meant is that how can you make sure the quality is exactly the same as the prl in the picture.
Or are you selling the piece in the picture?
What if we pay you $200 for that piece and ends up the quality not there?
Can you be certain or at least responsible that it is exactly the same quality?

cool it bros...
in most of the forum, $ is not to be clearly stated.
I think this is to prevent ppl from pricing arguement....etc
But please dont say wht ppl sponsor the trip...this is a personal attack bcos how much you know about him...??
Peace...

I am sorry if I sounds too harsh.
That is not my intention.
I admit I am very new in crs keeping and the forum rules.
What I felt if he want to help us,he can post the price openly in marketplace.
Can't we post the pricing in marketplace?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Why post other people PRL here and get people to pm him?

I didn't know we have EDMW type of clone accounts being used to sling mud at other forumers.
Lets see...grabbing free stuff from the marketplace, bickering and grilling people over prices and making one liners...yup, clone

Even started a 1 post wonder in another forum to post the exact same thing posted here. Classy.

I do not see any link between grabbing free stuff from the marketplace, bickering and grilling people over prices and making one liners.
What do you mean by clone?
How does it sound if promoting own grading system, condemning livestock abuse vendors a clone?
Totally no link and simply lame.

I do appreciate Berber's very kind gesture to help bring back such nice PRLs.

In my own opinion, it would be appropriate for Berber to have some slight mark up considering that he has to make a trip to the place, do proper packing to help the shrimps survive the flight in check-in luggage.

The problem is if *touch wood* there are casualties, do and would the buyer pay for it? Some nasty buyers might even accuse Berber that he pass off his dead shrimps or some normal dead CRS as the Thailand ones and refuse to pay. In the end reputation affected and money lost.

Previously I went HongKong to look for shrimps and some people asked me to help buy CRS, but I did not agree as it is the first time I am doing it and I do not know the person hence do not want to be in the above predicament.

I agree with you.
It is a nice gesture in all.
Mark up is ok,but if that is the case please at least be transparent about it.
I personally despise people who claim that they are so noble to help and in the end they make a profit from "helping" someone else.

[stormhawk]

Relax please, as I mentioned in another thread, please refrain from discussing prices openly. This is to prevent conflict of interest. If berber is offering help to fellow forumers to hand carry the shrimp back, it is the responsibility of interested forumers to agree on prices in private, or have informal discussions outside of the forum. He can post in the mass order section with prices stated openly.

Please do not resort to personal attacks to get your point across. I hope you guys understand.

That aside, the shrimps are beautiful, but I guess their price is just as "beautiful"

[vynax]

I just checked Ava website, one is allowed to hand carry 30 fish or shrimp not more then 3 litre of water for personal use. For this case, it is reselling, unless bro berber does not markup the price, then it is qualified to be a mass order. What if the MO is more then 30 pieces and confiscated by customs? Who will pay for it? And also anyone bring in more then 700$ of goods is subjected to tax, and i am sure such orders will exceed $700. Has everyone agree to pay tax?

I hope Ava and customs is not watching this thread nor they are alerted to watch this thread.

[vynax]

I have to agreed with sula that posting other people pic without declaring its ownership with the intention of resell, mass order or help is no good in first place. A sharp member in another forum has pointed that the pic appeared in another forum posted by a Thai breeder months ago. And berber mentioned they are not his shrimp or pic after the sharp member has posted the link.

[redsuns]

Very nice shrimps!! A very kind gesture from Bro Berber to help bring back the shrimps, I think if you want him to help you to get those shrimps, then you have to trust him that the price he quoted you is what the PRLs are worth and if you and him are happy with the price then go ahead. If you think he is going to cheat your money, simple, don't ask him to buy for you then. I think the ebi999 and nishikin lineage are worth quite a bit of money. Not for the "faint hearted" lol I can only admire can't afford..

[stormhawk]

AVA and Customs will not bother with such threads unless they are discussing banned animals.

The concerns are valid and it is up to berber to speak up in his defence. Since vynax has mentioned that berber admitted that these pictures are not his after others pointed it out, I feel it is only fair for berber to make his intentions clear. A Mass Order is the only way to make prices visible to everyone, and all participants must be sure of the extra costs and risk involved, be it tax or possible seizure by Customs.

[vynax]

What about large sum involved? A. shrimp in the pic can worth$2000. 30 pieces is $60000. The tax is high enough for the authority to do something, if they are alerted.

[eviltrain]

Hee hee, don't think the custom will know how much these shrimps really worth ba.

[stormhawk]

What eviltrain said is correct. The Customs officers have no way of telling how much the animals are worth, unless you produce a receipt from the store you purchased them from. I don't think you want them to know either.

[newlife]

Just to share my experience in Hand-carried shrimp from oversea...
What brother Vynax stated is a correct information...
- 1 Passport = 30 pieces of shrimps
- Must not be more then 3 liters of water
- Must check in
- Must declare at Red Channel at Singapore custom

Just to add on....DOA is to be shared equally...no such things as who bears? So buyer must make sure that packing must be in a proper standard.
1) Shrimp pack Breathing Bag
2) Ice pack
3) Styloform box to maintain the required cooling temp
And request for 3-5 pieces in a pack...reason is if you were to carry in 30 pcs in a pack,touch wood if 1-2 pieces died in bag...the rest will starts to K.O due to those died shrimp turning the water bad and stink. Best is to Collect the shrimp a few hours before your flight.

And as for bro Sulawesi...seriously...do you think those PRL quality ber show in this thread worth only $200? Kind of hard...bro...

Lastly...just to play safe or prevent custom to questioning...drop a email to AVA for the proper requirements...save the reply from AVA and show to custom officer that AVA allows hand carry etc etc..if they are not sure if it is legal.

I do have a replied copy from AVA in my mail...drop me a pm with your email address if you would like to keep a copy for future usage.

Hope this helps..

[Jianyuan]

Nice coloring of the shrimps. Should be off my budget for now to start rearing them. haha

Sorry about this sidetrack, just want to clarify something.
Anyway. regarding bringing back of shrimps back to singapore. Are we allowed to bring it together with us on the plane. or do we have to put it in a box or some container and bag it together with the luggages.
Do we have to pay for anything when we declare it at the red channel?

[Yulbrainer]

Nice coloring of the shrimps. Should be off my budget for now to start rearing them. haha

Sorry about this sidetrack, just want to clarify something.
Anyway. regarding bringing back of shrimps back to singapore. Are we allowed to bring it together with us on the plane. or do we have to put it in a box or some container and bag it together with the luggages.
Do we have to pay for anything when we declare it at the red channel?

No liquid more than 100ml (cmiiw) is allowed on the plane.
Therefor you can't bring it to the plane.

[Jianyuan]

yeah. thats my concern.

got to make sure the packaging are done properly. if not with all the turbulence. might result in casuaties.

[stormhawk]

Without breather bags there will be a lot of shaking in the commonly used polyethylene bags for shipment. This will probably kill your shrimps. Breather bags are not easily found now, unless you order online from stores that stock them, or buy from fellow hobbyists that still have them. Packing them for shipment is easy as long as you follow the simple guidelines.

[eviltrain]

those who interested to bring shrimps back to singapore take note.

just make sure inside the Kordon bag ( breather bag ) is a thin piece of white wool for them to hang on to.

keep them in a Styrofoam box with white wool as cushion to prevent the bags rolling around.

if possible, put a small gel type ice pack in to keep the temperature inside the box cool.

just my 1/4 cents

[avex30]

I don't think berber is trying to do mass order or what. He just trying to help fellow hobbist to bring in even if he mark up than it is between the person who want him to help hand carry. I would suggest everything be trash out before he proceed. As so there is no argument later part. As for who ask the person who go thru the trouble to be responsible for the whole thing is there is any death... I think it is rather unfair it is not that he is doing a mass order to ship it over. So i guess if one is uncomfortable with the idea than abort it why want to have all the conviences than when something happen start to point finger?? If you want no arguement than fly over there and choose no worry anyone will cheat you or arguement whom responsible for the lose. Cheers neutral point.