Worth or not the shrimp claimed by local breeder as nishiki

[veggie]

Veggie, I think once you know the price Alvin paid for this batch of "prl", you won't dare to throw away. Trust me

What I mean is if I am breeding PRL to sell I will give away for free for this kinda grade. Cause it really bad to sell this kinda crs to people.

[veggie]

But even for prl at this price, i dont think the colour will be fade till this jialat.

I agree with you bro, as I don't really play PRL. But for my local crs color also won't fade till so jialat

[redsuns]

Berber..since you said it's alvin's tank condition..why not you take back the shrimps..keep them in a tank partitions of yours or somewhere and see if the colours will come back? Of course the integrity of not swapping the shrimps must be there la. From my limited experience, I had seen shrimps faded until it's almost transparent due to immense stress but after 2 days the colours are back and super solid..no offense but I think my normal crs which are probably a tiny portion of the price it would have cost for the supposely premium nishikin line have a much better colour.

[Ecalyte]

I don't believe in colour loss due to stress. It may be so for normal grade shrimps, but thick white CRS (be it PRL or not) will not lose their shell colour due to stress. I've bought plenty of thick white CRS, and even kept them in breeding boxes with nothing in it. They're definitely hyper stressed. The thick white shells won't recede in colour.. If you receive shrimps that 'lost' their colour due to stress, then it's almost a guarantee that the shrimp is not, has not, and will not be a thick white shell. This is because the thick white shell CRS has plenty of white pigmentation in their chromatophore such that when they're stressed, it still shows the thick white. In normal and lower grade CRS the white pigmentation is not as concentrated so when they're stressed the receding white pigment will show greatly..

This is through my own experiences.. I'm very sure that other bros here who have handled thick white CRS/BDS will agree to this point as well.. Colouration of shrimp during lights-off and stress period is a great indication of their actual quality. This is the time you realise just how concentrated their white pigmentation is..

[Ecalyte]

Just to add, the red colouration behaves differently as the portions of red has a base colour that is not controlled by the chromatophore. It's the secretion of another colour pigment in addition to it that changes it to red. That's why when it's stressed etc etc, it wont become transparent as it still retains the base colour.. unlike white part of the shell where the base colour is transparent.

[redsuns]

Just to add, the red colouration behaves differently as the portions of red has a base colour that is not controlled by the chromatophore. It's the secretion of another colour pigment in addition to it that changes it to red. That's why when it's stressed etc etc, it wont become transparent as it still retains the base colour.. unlike white part of the shell where the base colour is transparent.

My thick white crs from hk when stressed loses a little colour of red on the red pattern and the white still remains quite solid so I think what you say is correct.

[soonhong]

Just to add, the red colouration behaves differently as the portions of red has a base colour that is not controlled by the chromatophore. It's the secretion of another colour pigment in addition to it that changes it to red. That's why when it's stressed etc etc, it wont become transparent as it still retains the base colour.. unlike white part of the shell where the base colour is transparent.

I don't believe in colour loss due to stress. It may be so for normal grade shrimps, but thick white CRS (be it PRL or not) will not lose their shell colour due to stress. I've bought plenty of thick white CRS, and even kept them in breeding boxes with nothing in it. They're definitely hyper stressed. The thick white shells won't recede in colour.. If you receive shrimps that 'lost' their colour due to stress, then it's almost a guarantee that the shrimp is not, has not, and will not be a thick white shell. This is because the thick white shell CRS has plenty of white pigmentation in their chromatophore such that when they're stressed, it still shows the thick white. In normal and lower grade CRS the white pigmentation is not as concentrated so when they're stressed the receding white pigment will show greatly..

This is through my own experiences.. I'm very sure that other bros here who have handled thick white CRS/BDS will agree to this point as well.. Colouration of shrimp during lights-off and stress period is a great indication of their actual quality. This is the time you realise just how concentrated their white pigmentation is..

My thick white crs from hk when stressed loses a little colour of red on the red pattern and the white still remains quite solid so I think what you say is correct.

Agreed with both of you.....

[cbrian37]

so the conclusion is when buying PRL,the white fades when pack in the bag/tub,don't buy??

[equidorz]

Alvin, shits happens so hope you can get some Justification here and thank you for picking out some of this sellers in this forum. Anyway I also do not believe the shrimps are truly not the pure lineage. It's just your luck and don't
Trust people too easily. Good luck

[Navanod]

so the conclusion is when buying PRL,the white fades when pack in the bag/tub,don't buy??

Or better yet, if you've not seen the shrimp in its best colors in the tank, don't buy. Especially for something so costly

[Navanod]

Alvin, shits happens so hope you can get some Justification here and thank you for picking out some of this sellers in this forum. Anyway I also do not believe the shrimps are truly not the pure lineage. It's just your luck and don't
Trust people too easily. Good luck

Same lineage also will have cull grades. Same litter also doesn't mean all will be equally high quality. Anyone with a pure colony can weigh in on the percentage of culls?

[alvinchan80]

To everyone... I think it's clearly shown that I am agreeable to the option of exchange (in another forum) but since from what is berber's reply from whatsapp, I think no point to do any exchange.. As I might be getting back the same crap pieces..
I shall now end this by not doing anymore exchanges...
Thank you Veggie for trying to be the 3rd party & I don't want to waste both of our time for traveling all the way there to get craps when I am already having the same craps..

Cheers and kudos to all who commented and feedback...
Have a great weekend...

[binniez]

From my noobie experience, the percentage of culls from a good lineage will probably be below 10%. Even that 10% honestly won't look that bad unless you are super picky for example culling because they don't have full red legs or because they do not have the specific specifications that you like. Otherwise, quality should still stay no matter what.

[veggie]

No eyes see. That all I can say on those so called prl

[Ecalyte]

so the conclusion is when buying PRL,the white fades when pack in the bag/tub,don't buy??

Hi bro,

I think it all depends on what you want. If you're purchasing some PRL at $10-15, then of course you need to adjust your expectations. It also depends on your level of tolerance in terms of the quality of the shrimps.. However, if what you're looking for are those thick painted whites.. then yes, don't buy. Also one thing to note.. people say that the colour will get better and better as the shrimps get older, in my experience this is false. This is only true during the first few months of its development when it's still developing its exoskeleton. However once the shrimps reach 0.8 - 1.2 cm, what you see is what you get. In fact in most cases the quality of white gets worse as it grows.

Breeders usually sell during that size for a variety of reasons; It's the fastest reasonable time to sell from birth, and it's also when the shrimps will look the best before you can start spotting the flaws. Little cracks, transparent blotches, not so thick white shell... these get developed as the shell start to stretch and get bigger. These flaws do exist in smaller shrimps, but not noticeable to the naked eye or by casual inspection. Perhaps as an example.. when you take a picture with your iphone it looks fantastic; clear and sharp. But try zooming in, or printing the picture on an A1-size paper. You'll start to see all the square pixels and suddenly it's not so clear anymore. Perhaps not the best analogy, but I'm sure you get the picture.. heh heh heh!

I'm constantly staring at my shrimplets to look for these flaws in their shell. Even in my tank there are SOME shrimps where sometimes they look solid, sometimes they look not so solid. For some reason their shell develop red blotches, then the next hour it disappears and it looks nice and white. Straight away I remove the shrimp and put it in my cull tank. Hours of constant staring at my shrimps, I've started to realise the things to note when looking at shrimps.. especially when I want only solid whites. So keep note of this when you're looking at shrimps even in the breeders tank. Yes, it does seem like a lot of "damned if i do, damned if i don't," but it's the only way I can be sure of getting the quality shrimps that I want.

[newlife]

No johannas, shrimps are abit different. When transported, the colour fading is on a very big scale. So practically you cannot look for any clues to assure yourself that the shrimp itself will gain back it's colours when it's stabilized in your own tank. Quite a number of the breeder's "tactic" is that they try their best not let you see the shrimp in their tank. Like saying that "not convinient for you to go up to view". So the transaction is done downstairs at the void deck. The situations above, you can only trust the seller himself.

Against berber, so far there are 2 incidents. Alvin did not got warned, as this transaction was done before ssy's bds thread awhile ago.

Kns...lucky you come and choose...

[ZackZhou]

Kns...lucky you come and choose...

Hahaha. Yea! Xiexie.

[stormhawk]

@alvinchan80,

I understand your frustration and anger, but there is no need to take this route. If you feel you have been cheated, you can file a police report, or leave your feedback via the iTrader function. Posting a thread to publicise your personal vendetta is the wrong way to go. Understandably, most if not all of the shrimp hobbyists are siding with you on this matter, but enough has been said. It has always been a matter of caveat emptor, as in, buyer beware.

@berber,

The simple fact is the shrimps were not up to the quality you were selling them at. It is only fair that a refund is due, upon collection of the affected shrimps from the buyer. That is your obligation as a honest seller, but if you feel you don't want to or have to, that is your right. A good deed goes a long way. A bad deed may reflect on your reputation for longer.