Chemi-Pure + Flame Clam Question + Activated Carbon

[joachimsim]

Kelstorm, I saw in a Forum that you said Activated Carbon can be used.

However, My LFS , plus my knowledge that you can't use them long term in the planted tank seems to agree that Carbon should not be used long term as they absorb all the trace elements..Besides, Protein Skimmers remove them as well. and they have the DISAADVANTAGE of LEACHING back Ammonia and Polutants after they are saturated .

I donno abt Zeolite...any Opinions..? I heard you can reactivate Zeolite easily..by BLEACH?

And, I just have a 3 week old Marine Equarium..Since my first 2.5 weeks...I had some casualties as water quality was bad..plus..introduction of disease affected fish..Water smelled a little ( donno if its the same as those bad egg smell all the crashed tanks owners are talking abt )

I just put Chemipure + Zeolite Filtration 3 days ago..my water smells almost fresh now...thing is I donno if its attributed to the Revered CHEMIPURE or just Ocean Free Zeolite.

I did some reseach and CHEMIPURE seems to be a very good chemical filter...minimising on Trace Element Removal etc etc and NO LEACHING ...long length of use.

Correct me if I am wrong but use of Chemical Filtration also lowers Nitrates and NO2 due to ammonia being removed??

Can u give me opinions on CHEMI_PURE???



However, the thing that PISSES me off is that I still detect NO2 in my water at 0.2/mg despite 3 weeks of cycling and CheMIPURE Filtration ......only 1 tube worm 2LIVE ROCKS and I banded SHRIMP as BIOLOAD.

I BEY TAHAN just went down to Pet Shop Boy*** again and bought a black Damsel, Flame?CLam and Polyp Coral to add to my Empty 2 FEET .


ANybody knows if I can BReed FLAME CLAM in the tank? Those SCALLOP like Shell-fish with ORange Fiery Hairs sticking Out..??

[kelstorm]

However, My LFS , plus my knowledge that you can't use them long term in the planted tank seems to agree that Carbon should not be used long term as they absorb all the trace elements..Besides, Protein Skimmers remove them as well. and they have the DISAADVANTAGE of LEACHING back Ammonia and Polutants after they are saturated .
i think u might have misquoted me.. yes, activated carbon can be used to clear up the water of the yellowish tinge. but they would have to be replaced religious.. u cannot just leave it there and let it be... of course they will leach back after it is saturated

I donno abt Zeolite...any Opinions..? I heard you can reactivate Zeolite easily..by BLEACH?
sorry cant help u out there.. never tried it before

And, I just have a 3 week old Marine Equarium..Since my first 2.5 weeks...I had some casualties as water quality was bad..plus..introduction of disease affected fish..Water smelled a little ( donno if its the same as those bad egg smell all the crashed tanks owners are talking abt )
u should not have put in any livestock during cycling period... coz if u do, u definitely will get casualties. By adding more livestock during cycling period, u never let the tank have time to break down the ammonia coz each time it starts to break down, more are added and the bacteria cannot cope with it and this will reach a pt where your system will crash. If u suspect that your tank had "crashed", simplest way is to take out the rock and smell them.. they should have a fresh sea smell and not like rotten eggs... if u do have the latter smell, your rocks had started to die off

I just put Chemipure + Zeolite Filtration 3 days ago..my water smells almost fresh now...thing is I donno if its attributed to the Revered CHEMIPURE or just Ocean Free Zeolite.
the use of chemicals to remove smells might just be temporary.. u should get to the root of the cause for the smell... any smell coming from the tank is a sign of trouble.. i would recommend that u investigate it..

Correct me if I am wrong but use of Chemical Filtration also lowers Nitrates and NO2 due to ammonia being removed??
if your tank is new.. u should not rush into it.. rather, give it some time for it to mature and once the system kicks in, consider using it to nick the problem at its bud.. right now, u are still cycling the tank and u are using the chemical to remove the ammonia, by doing so, u are not letting the filtration system (be it canister or sump) to fully mature to handle the bio-load
Can u give me opinions on CHEMI_PURE???
i have never tried it.. sorry



However, the thing that PISSES me off is that I still detect NO2 in my water at 0.2/mg despite 3 weeks of cycling and CheMIPURE Filtration ......only 1 tube worm 2LIVE ROCKS and I banded SHRIMP as BIOLOAD.
be patient lah.. i cycled my 4ft tank for 6 -8 weeks leh.. with nothing but a few pieces of shrimps meat inside and only till the 5th week that i added live rocks.. u are already rushing in too fast

I BEY TAHAN just went down to Pet Shop Boy*** again and bought a black Damsel, Flame?CLam and Polyp Coral to add to my Empty 2 FEET .
i really doubt that the stuff which u had bought will survive for long. except for your damsel

ANybody knows if I can BReed FLAME CLAM in the tank? Those SCALLOP like Shell-fish with ORange Fiery Hairs sticking Out..??
those are known as flame scallops.. they are filter feeders.. so far, i have not heard of ppl who had managed to keep them alive for long, let alone breed them.. do some reading up first before buying your stock.. it will save u money and heartache.

[jonapur]

i heard some carbon like the five plan ones they use coconut husk to burn i think
so it contain phosphorus.Phosphorus cause algae dun they?

[joachimsim]

****, I just bought one..WHere you got that info?

YEs..some might leach Phosphate...but apparently you cannot tell the good ones from the bad ones...different grade..

I think pple swear by Chemi-Pure instead...unfortunately..I won;t use it for my Planted for fear of absorbing my fertiliser and Co2

[jonapur]

sorry shud be *PHOSPHATES
i mistaken both Ps
Aiyah...very easy to tell 1.Good grades cost more.lousy ones are cheaper.five plan is good for fresh water.most LFS dun recommend five plan.they recomend chemi-pure.Actually chemi-pure is design for marine at 1st i heard.The very 1st chemi-pure is WET and they are only for marine.after that they are also used in freshwater.i bought one very cheap $8 only.but after that then i found out that it is the old packing.wet one ONLY for marine.trying to clear all the old ones to replace new ones.New ones can used for fresh water and saltwater.

[jonapur]

u can used it in ur planted without any worries.they will not do anything to ur co2 or fertilisers.
they also wont absorb trace elements.
Protein skimmers skim trace elements.So since protein skimmers will skim trace elements,can i switch off the protein skimmer for a two hours or more while i pour some trace elements into the tank?

[joachimsim]

Really I bought mine from Clementi Florist? and it has a fresh water sticker on it..the labels says both also can...


I read the website....apparently its a good carbon resin mixture...doesn't remove trace elements drastically..but my tank is smelling good since I used it last week.

HOw's your experience with it? does it reduce your NO3, NO2 levels as well??

I am still detecting NO2 levels in my 3rd week of cycling

[joachimsim]

Give me an intro on your TANK...I saw your threads somewhere..but can't remember what u asked.

AN INtro of yourself as well? I am always trying to get to know fellow hobbylists better..but can't remember descriptions and names/.

PLanted TANK NO PROBLEM? BUT the LABEL says it will absorb C02 and all gases!!! ....Anyhow for planted tank its better to use Carbon for short term...as liquid fertiliser is used frequently.

YEs , Heard Protein Skimmer removes trace elements,,,,thats why you need supplements...

I think you only off it for few hours if you are FEEDINg INVERTEBRATe FOOD...enough time for Corals etc..to makan...but trace elements have to added weekly or something..

[jonapur]

yes!they remove no2 and no3 as well.
i may be wrong as i am only 14!
if thats the case i think u better dun use chemi-pure for ur tank for it may absorb all the co2.
but it the best carbon so far.i ask all the ppl using the product,no complains.i had not been using chemi-pure for long as they aint't cheap!

[jonapur]

this is wad i do
firstly if i wan to add trace elements,i off the protein skimmer so that the trace elements that i pour in will not be skim out.then i leave it off for 3 hours.after that i on it again.i ask super*(tam) they sae can...so i am fine with it..

[joachimsim]

Up to you...we all learn from Experience..

Which School you studying...? NOt bad SEC 2?? student can understand all this...When I was your age I don';t even have enough pocket money to play this hobby...!! No internet as well then.

You seem more mature with this hobby than the rest of the 14 year old who talk nonsense and play PC games only//

NOt bad not bad

[jonapur]

i study in Geylang methodist S S
most of my classmates ain't interested in this kind of hobby.they sae these are for retirees.
they are playing trading cards
i had no $ for good filters.my tank only got an undergravel filter and a protein skimmer.these are the most essential ones.no money to buy PL
i had been runnig my tank since May!
waiting for next year's ang pao
by that time my tank put a very sick fish also no problem.

[joachimsim]

Boy BOy...I was a Relief Teacher Once,

Don't mind call ing you that..

Yeah actually...the cheap method also works!!!...in Books i read something called Berlin System where a Biologist apparently just use a Protein Skimmer and Lots of Live Rocks to provide all the necessary filtration...( U can probably modify this with a small mechanical Filter to keep things sparkling clean ) It is reported that in fact the water quality is better with Less NO3 in the water..IF fact no water change and the LR did the job of converting NO3 back to N2 and 02

Why? this is cos proteins are taken out of water first provided u have a good one before the biological filtration of sand and the filter has enough time to convert proteins to ....NH3, no2 and NO3...Arguement that a huge "good filter" actually converts all the protein to NO3 due to fast filtration and hence more need for water changes etc..

Of course, u might find that what I said is sometimes not true,,if you have a high bio-load..indequate skimming etc...then your NH3 and NO2 levels will Kill you Live Stock if not enough bacteria to convert to NO3.....AND this method apparently only works with enought maturity of the tank with lots of life rocks.

Don';t worry abt being labelled OLD...I am too OLD for my age as well for most of pple I know are not into this hobby as well.

HOwever, occasional filtration with Chemi_pure to remove the other STUFFS like smell and all that..are useful if I wanna keep a fully Natural System without water change I think..

Use your friendly Library..who knows..you may become a Marine Biologist one day..and be ahead of your friends who are into XBOX PS2 and other..like me... but cannot make a living ONE!


Joachim

[joachimsim]

Under Gravel Filters no good....

Clog all the RUBBiSH in it..and very hard to clean..

I use very little sand..so I can siphon with Gravel Cleaner ( battery OPerated ) weekly..and most of the **** is taken out...

In fact , If I have big fishes etc..I would put very little sand and concentrate on the Bio-Filtration in the external filters instead.

[jonapur]

It is ok to call me boy boy
good wad...i heard relief can earn up to $65 a day.The reason wy i used undergravel using coral chips (c10)is that they can help to maintain my ph and kh.but now then i found out chemi-pure too will help to maintain ph.i think i gonna change my filter

[Golden Tooth]

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On 10/29/2003 12:30:15 AM

Under Gravel Filters no good....

Clog all the RUBBiSH in it..and very hard to clean..

I use very little sand..so I can siphon with Gravel Cleaner ( battery OPerated ) weekly..and most of the **** is taken out...

In fact , If I have big fishes etc..I would put very little sand and concentrate on the Bio-Filtration in the external filters instead.


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U need to clean the external filter frequently. Find it better using a sump, it's more easy to maintain. As u're using less sand, add more live rocks. Invest in good skimmer.