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for me i have two or more canisters connected to each other and to have more bacteria
Hi all, I am planning to set up my 2ft by 1ft by 1ft tank for CRS. Tank capacity is 50.97 litres based on tank calculator. Currently, I have a Hailea HC-130A chiller (200~1000L/H) with external thermostat and a Eheim Ecco Pro 2034 (600l/h) from my previous 1ft+ setup. Still deciding whether should I upgrade my chiller to HC-150A and a higher output Eheim external filter. Is my old setup good enough for my 2ft tank considering I may add on a Jaqno Pre Filter in future? Tank will also be partitioned into two.
If I do upgrade, I have already target HC-150A (250~1200L/H) as my chiller.
Now the problem is which Ehiem external filter should I go for if I do upgrade? Setup will be Jaqno Pre Filter >>> Eheim Filter >>> HC-150A.
These are the few Eheim models that I am considering:
1) Ecco Pro 2036 (Flow rate: 750l/h, Canister Volume: 3.1L)
2) Pro 2224 (Flow rate: 700l/h, Filter Volume: 3.0L)
3) Pro 2226 (Flow rate: 950l/h, Filter Volume: 4.9L)
4) Pro 2228 (Flow rate: 1050l/h, Filter Volume: 7.3L) Overkill???
5) Pro II 2026 (Flow rate: 950l/h, Filter Volume: 4.9L)
6) Pro II 2028 (Flow rate: 1050l/h, Filter Volume: 7.3L) Overkill???
7) Pro III 2071 (Flow rate: 950l/h, Filter Volume: 3.5L)
Pro III 2073 (Flow rate: 1050l/h, Filter Volume: 5.0L) Overkill???
Hope you guys can give me some advice and your opinion. Really thanks a lot.
for me i have two or more canisters connected to each other and to have more bacteria
I'm currently using HC-130A for my 2x1.5x1.5. It's being powered by a Jebao503 Canister. The temperature is set at 25deg and it's running very well for me. I hate how noisy it is thoughOne thing to note about having a single canister with a partitioned tank is that the partition without the outlet will have very poor water circulation. This is why I chose to run 2 separate canisters in my partitioned tank so I could have an inlet + outlet on both partitions for good water circulation. One partition is Eheim 2213 the other is Jebao 503. The inlet of each filter should be on a separate partition than the outlet. This will increase the mixing of water between each partitions. If you're considering an upgrade, don't bother upgrading your chiller. Instead use the money to buy a second canister.. An Eheim 2213 is very cheap, easy to run and very effective.
You can have the same effect by connecting pre-filters instead of canisters. It's much cheaper, although the volume may be smaller...Originally Posted by rascal
for me i have two or more canisters connected to each other and to have more bacteria
Bro Ecalyte, is that to say though running two canisters on either side but only one filter is connected to the chiller?
Why I thought of upgrading to a HC-150 is because I don't want to overwork my HC-130.
Yes, only one filter connected to the chiller. So the two filters are not connected at all.
So your system would look like this
Inlet A (Partition 1) --> Prefilter A --> Filter A --> Chiller --> Outlet A (Partition 2)
Inlet B (Partition 2) --> Prefilter B --> Filter B --> Outlet B (Partition 1)
Then you set your external thermostat at Partition 1. This way, the temperature of Partition 1 will always be the one on the higher side as the chiller will push the chilled water to Partition 2. Then you will rely on whatever partition holes you have to allow the water to pass through between partitions and System B to bring the chilled water to Partition 1. The difference will only be around 0.2-0.3 deg.
In my opinion.. run the HC-130A first seeing how you already own it. Maybe get a filter with a stronger flow rate (2026 maybe?) to run through the chiller and get a prefilter on it right away. At least then your flow-rate is decent enough to run the chiller efficiently. If you feel that the chiller is not good enough, then upgrade. But your 2ft is much smaller than mine, being only 2x1x1. Mine's a 2x1.5x1.5 and it's doing a good job already, so I don't see why it wouldn't do a good job on your 2ft.
If flow rate is your biggest issue, then the most cost effective solution will be to get a multipurpose pump @ 900L/HR. Place this pump between your filter and chiller, then disconnect your filter. You can get those china brands from Seaview @ under 2 blue notes, they even give you a 3-year warranty too! An eheim equivalent will set you back around just under 4 blue notes.
Since your set up is similar to mine, I'll share some pictures on my setup.
Prefilters and Filters
Notice all those Eheim valves that I'm using? Invest in them. Trust me. I didn't initially, and taking the filters out for maintenance is a REAL HASSLE. For every component in the system I placed 2 valves. 2 filters, 2 prefilters, 1 chiller = 10 valves. This way, at any time I want to disconnect a component to do some maintenance or changes, I can do that in less than 10 seconds.. No mess at all.
Outlet is dumped into a Hang on Filter to pass through another series of filter wool
Flowrate video taken for your benefit. The system is being powered be Jebao 503 rated @ 750L/hr
The reason I dumped the outlet into the hang on filter is because the outlet stream of the hang-on filter has a very wide cross section. This means that the actual flow strength is reduced greatly and it prevents my tank from looking like a war zone of debris created by the flow.
Feel free to ask me if there's anything else you'd like to know..
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Bro Ecalyte, that is really a very detailed explanation by you. Really thanks for your effort in showing me pictures of your setup. I must say you have quite a simple but impressive setup. You sure like to build up alot of BB for your setup. Guess now I know what to do for my setup already, will be using the same concept as yours. Time to look for another filter, more valves and more hose. Thanks again bro Ecalyte.
Hi bro BFG, what oil slick?
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On the surface of the water. Do you employ a surface skimmer? You might need it.
If you've learnt, teach, if you have, give.
Don't walk behind me as I might not lead, don't walk in front of me as I might not follow. Walk beside me, as my friend.
Mohamad Rohaizal is my name. If it's too hard, use BFG. I don't mind.
Will be using a long rain bar to disturb the surface of the water so the oil slick won't form up i guess.
I think the oil slick is just an aesthetic problem right? Correct me if i'm wrong.. that's what I've been told. That's why I never bothered to deal with it.
Not a problem bro. It's always a pleasure to help out another hobbyist especially when I'm able to.. I know the helpless feeling of not knowing which route to take.
Do hit me up if you need any help ok?
I will surely approach you again if I have any doubts when I am setting up. Thanks again for the great sharing of your setup. .
Hello bro revo79,
Not sure my advise will be of much help to you, also just started out not long ago on this hobby.
My set up is 2x1x1 ft tank running with Eheim 2224 700L/H and connected to a Hailea Hs28A chiller (supposedly a newer model made to replace the old Hailea HC 150A) The specifications of both models of chillers are the same, besides the design that Hailea Hs28A is slimmer. Having the chiller kick in frequently due to the low flowrate as some bro have stated to me, but too late to regret buying this filter. Its barely 2months old since i bought it, cant get to upgrade anytime soon either.
It'll be better to get a higher flowrate canister to hook up with the chiller like most of the bros here will recommend. The 1050L/H flowrate canister filters has a bigger filter volume that allows you to house more medias and let the Benefectial Bacteria grow and mature.
Considering the fact that Canister filters packed with medias do not run at the flowrate that is written on the box and also connect to a chiller will further reduce the flowrate. Further flowrate could be controlled by the valve or by using the rainbar and redirect it to the tank wall.
And also just incase you want to do another upgrade in future, saves you the penny to get another filter. If not, the 950L/H flowrate might suffice for a 2x1x1 ft tank.
For the partitioned part of tank, you can follow bro Ecalyte's method by doing a seperate filter for each partition to ensure the water circulation.
Good luck for the hobby!!
What you said is true also. Im deciding in between a 950l/h and a 1050l/h flowrate canister. Your advice sure help me, I am now clearer in what flowrate canister I need in my new setup.
I am wondering for your case, does a external thermostat or temp sensor will help your chiller not kicking in that frequently? If not, then is really your 2224 not strong enough like what you mentioned.
Hi bro, also ensure that the filter you're getting is using the same hose size as the rest. I think right now it's all using 12/16mm hosing. I believe any flow rate 1,000L/HR and above will start to use 16/22 hosing. Then you need to buy a more expensive valve to act as an 'adapter'.
2026 is more than enough for your 2ft, especially if you're going to use two filters for your 2ft
Yeap, ive hooked on external thermostat to my chiller already. Like what Bro Ecalyte said, since you are going for partitioned tank, 2 filter running at 950L/h is good enough.
revo79, my tank is slightly bigger than yours at 2ft x 15" x 15" but without prefilter and partition. I am using 2026 with 150A.
2026 and 130A are sufficient for your setup, need not spend the extra $ to upgrade. Ecalyte's suggestion to have a smaller canister is good and that will have more space for more BB.
With 2 canisters I do not think you need any prefilters. If you are concerned about maintainence of the canisters, you can use filter sponges at your inlet and wash them every 1 or 2 weeks during water change. The filter sponges would already block off the bigger dirt particles going into your canister. You shrimps would also love to hang around on the filter sponge to pick for food.
Bro Ecalyte, your multi-plug extension is right next to your prefilters and filters. A bit risky of having short circuit when you disconnect your double tap connectors and water may just drip onto the multi-plug extension. You can mount it higher inside your cabinet using 2 screws
So after fixing the external thermostat, does your chiller workrate improve? If not, you really need to change to a higher flowrate canister or a multipurpose pump @ 900L/HR just like what bro Ecalyte suggested to me earlier on.
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