will cherries/fire reds be severely inbred?

[theludicrous]

as above, will the species be overly inbred?

like maybe it'll affect their immunity and they don't live as long, or are more susceptible to disease? maybe even affect the purity of the redness?

[hyun007]

Not at the moment.
Even the Fire Red is as strong as rock, they can tolerate conditions where the lowest grade CRS cannot.
Most probably the gene are more tolerant to harsh condition as they do not need chiller.

[magpie]

as above, will the species be overly inbred?

like maybe it'll affect their immunity and they don't live as long, or are more susceptible to disease? maybe even affect the purity of the redness?

For your information, Fire Red is through selective breeding of those super red colour cherry till sakura till Fire Red. They are from the same family. Of course if you keep both cherry and Fire red, the offspring colour redness may be off. Even fire red will not give you 100% super red shrimps, some may come out to be less red.

[theludicrous]

so if i start of with 10 reds and over the span of many years, they won't be severely inbred that they become weaker?

[marimo]

Yes they will breed as they are the same species but different intensity of coloration

wether a fire red is more delicate than a sakura then to cherry is debatable.
Unlike CRS that has a far deeper selective breeding under strict conditions, FR generally are very hardy as cherry. they can withstand pH , temp and hardness difference. Therefore I do not know if a cherry breed with fire red will have 'weaker off springs'

coloration
fire red and fire red does not breed true.
There's weaker coloration also
their off spring look exactly like cherry baby
their adult coloration depend much on the mother FR

if you have a male that is fire red coloration increase the chances , but its rare.
male are poorly colored

I only have 1 male that is pass off above sakura color.

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just one of my FR

[hyun007]

so if i start of with 10 reds and over the span of many years, they won't be severely inbred that they become weaker?

The color will become weaker.
To maintain the color, you will need to cull the weak one and only breed the best one and continue culling of bad color.

Do please take note that Fire Red female usually show their best color after the 3rd months from birth or somewhere after second brood of shrimplets(for those not doing culling). They are different from CRS which can show good color coat from birth. You will also need to seperate the male and female shrimplets after the first month of birth to avoid them from mating.

Culling time is usually on the 3rd months
You can sell or give the cull one away, or feed them to big fish.

I think it is possible to get thick coat Fire Red shrimplets if dealer continue to do selective breeding with them.

[theludicrous]

oh great. this is good information. i was reading on CRS and wonder if one day the genetic strain of neo. reds could become bad, but now i know.

[theludicrous]

oh one more thing, it's also possible to start from cherries and cull them till they become fire red right?

[hyun007]

oh one more thing, it's also possible to start from cherries and cull them till they become fire red right?

If will take a few years if you want to do that.
Basically like playing a very very very old RPG game and starting from level 1 and with no value.
If you enjoy it, why not?

If not, start at Fire Red to try for offspring that will come out with nice coat of red.
You might be able to make some money out of it.

[marimo]

oh one more thing, it's also possible to start from cherries and cull them till they become fire red right?

Its already possible . And it take years , even if you managed to cull them to reach fire red, you end up with like 10 tanks and get fire red which cost only $2 which does not breed true.

Now there is fire black cherry .. which is like a lesser of BKK

So basically cherry and fire red is basically just breeding and culling
there is no interbreed , geno, pheno, F1,F2 which is kind of boring and invaluable

If you are interested in selective breeding, i think tiger is the way to go
many ppl in other forum are showing their new hybrids.
They cross breed or choose with poor strain color and breed again.
From hybrid there is genetic deformities which requires culling

From there they continue to selective breed that strain till its stable.
I think thats more interesting

[eviltrain]

how do you get fire red if you do not interbreed, selective breeding,geno, pheno, F1, F2 from cherries?

[theludicrous]

what is this geno, pheno, f1 and f2 that you guys are talking about?

[eviltrain]

bro theludicrous,

try understand this ----> Gregor Mendel

[theludicrous]

it's not simple. so trying to come out with new colors even for neocaridina species will take a long tedious process, and a lot of trial and error?

[marimo]

i mean cherry to fire red is just inbreed, there is no 'crossbreed' interbreed
just cultivating the recessive traits, which is red coloration for cherry

i put a comma, before saying the genes and f1 and f2 characteristics is kind of boring and invaluable for cherry line as no one is interested at this moment already

[eviltrain]

Sadly but true

[theludicrous]

let's say i currently have cherries and sakuras, in future when i upgrade the tank and i add fire reds, will i just screw up the whole breeding system? or i just cull the poor colorations?

[eviltrain]

if you don't know about the Mendel's Theory, there's 2 method of getting what you wants.

1 -culling method

whole tank of mixtures grade of cherries, just keep on culling those colour not up to your standard.
( but take note that normally males are of lousier color. do not cull until you have a full tank of females only)

2 - selective breeding method

choose a pair of desired colour to breed them together in a satellite external breeding box, high chance their offsprings will be the same or better than their parents.

good luck.

[theludicrous]

if you don't know about the Mendel's Theory, there's 2 method of getting what you wants.

1 -culling method

whole tank of mixtures grade of cherries, just keep on culling those colour not up to your standard.
( but take note that normally males are of lousier color. do not cull until you have a full tank of females only)

2 - selective breeding method

choose a pair of desired colour to breed them together in a satellite external breeding box, high chance their offsprings will be the same or better than their parents.

good luck.

HAHAHA, i burst out in laughter when i read about culling until there's only female left. i think that would be really excessive culling.

[eviltrain]

i know of someone (not local) who did that 2 years ago. hehehehehe

thats why i warn you first.