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    Failed sulawesi

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    After 9 days. All my cardinal shrimps purchased same time as Jovel are gone.
    Today saw the last 2 bodies.....

    Tested water parameters
    ph : 7.5~8 (drip, cannot really tell the colour difference)
    KH : 3
    GH : 7
    NO2 : 0
    Temperature : 29C

    All parameters looks ok. But still.....

    *sigh*....really feel like giving up......

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    Re: Failed sulawesi

    Hold on bro. Don't give up just yet! Did you cycle the tank long enough? What are you using for filtration, substrate etc. Food you are feeding? Do you use chemical products ? Even things like hair spray near the tank. List everything out and we're here to advice!

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    Shouldn't try so many pcs for a start. It hurts. I used to try only 1 pcs, if not successful still not so painful to the wallet. I see your temp also quite high....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovel View Post
    Hold on bro. Don't give up just yet! Did you cycle the tank long enough? What are you using for filtration, substrate etc. Food you are feeding? Do you use chemical products ? Even things like hair spray near the tank. List everything out and we're here to advice!
    I did not use any hair spray or anything. Come to think about it, I did use seachem flourish. But only 1/2 a capful for 90 liter tank. Should be ok right?
    As for cycling, this tank is about 7 years old. Used to keep tetras. Using canister filter. Bought for 1 year. Substrate is lapis sand. With a bit of coral chips.
    Food I feed are those brand from ocean free, red bee shrimp food. The thing is, the shy shrimps never eat. Always at their hidding spot, picking away. Only the Malayan and cherry shrimps would happily come and eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluebubbles View Post
    Shouldn't try so many pcs for a start. It hurts. I used to try only 1 pcs, if not successful still not so painful to the wallet. I see your temp also quite high....
    Actually, 10 pieces not many. I used to get from y618. But I think fishing them out stresses them a lot. Hence I thought if I just get those in bag form and bring home, should not be so stressed....
    I have chiller, so any temperature is ok. But I thought they would prefer 29C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v200 View Post
    I did not use any hair spray or anything. Come to think about it, I did use seachem flourish. But only 1/2 a capful for 90 liter tank. Should be ok right?
    As for cycling, this tank is about 7 years old. Used to keep tetras. Using canister filter. Bought for 1 year. Substrate is lapis sand. With a bit of coral chips.
    Food I feed are those brand from ocean free, red bee shrimp food. The thing is, the shy shrimps never eat. Always at their hidding spot, picking away. Only the Malayan and cherry shrimps would happily come and eat.
    one thing is never use chemicals in a sulawesi tank, confirm will have casualties. They're really sensitive. Try more powdered base food like mosura shrimpton & gravadias. As cardinals are more fond of planktonic food and too shy to come out to feed. these cherries could be feeding away their food source as well. You run a chiller on 29c?Room temp is good enough bro, 29C is is actually ideal. they like it between 28-29, no lesser than 27 for long periods. remember these shrimps are from Indonesia, like us, summer and rain only.
    Actually I got most of my shrimps from Y618, about 21-22 by now, another 11 from petmart. One thing is that im only free on weekends and C328 probably lost all their stocks/ healthy ones to others, other is that you can sit on a stool and slowly view to spot the healthier shrimps. Choose those shrimps that are active and keeps picking for food, moves around and not stay still for a long time. check their colours and body for parasites, lost limbs/antennas or injuries. and make sure you acclimatise them well before introducing them into your tank. Normally I drip about 1 drop / 3-4secs for 2 hours, in a dark room/container.

    hope this helps!

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    Re: Failed sulawesi

    One more parameter which I view is important is the TDS. Did you check that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shearerkk View Post
    One more parameter which I view is important is the TDS. Did you check that?
    Yea, TDS needs to be checked.
    Also, for such an old tank, what is the depth of the substrate? Is the bottom looking reddish brown? If so, there may be sulphur building up, although since the rest of the shrimps are fine, this should not be the case.

    Lastly, is the GH correct? I read that sulawesi lakes have very low GH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovel View Post
    one thing is never use chemicals in a sulawesi tank, confirm will have casualties. They're really sensitive. Try more powdered base food like mosura shrimpton & gravadias. As cardinals are more fond of planktonic food and too shy to come out to feed. these cherries could be feeding away their food source as well. You run a chiller on 29c?Room temp is good enough bro, 29C is is actually ideal. they like it between 28-29, no lesser than 27 for long periods. remember these shrimps are from Indonesia, like us, summer and rain only.
    Actually I got most of my shrimps from Y618, about 21-22 by now, another 11 from petmart. One thing is that im only free on weekends and C328 probably lost all their stocks/ healthy ones to others, other is that you can sit on a stool and slowly view to spot the healthier shrimps. Choose those shrimps that are active and keeps picking for food, moves around and not stay still for a long time. check their colours and body for parasites, lost limbs/antennas or injuries. and make sure you acclimatise them well before introducing them into your tank. Normally I drip about 1 drop / 3-4secs for 2 hours, in a dark room/container.

    hope this helps!
    What is your survival rate for y618 and pet mart ?
    I run chiller because in my house the water temperature can run up to 30+ c .
    I might try y618 again. But usually they don't have much selection left. Like you, I can only go on weekends. Hence I like pet mart arrangement . But if not healthy, no point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shearerkk View Post
    One more parameter which I view is important is the TDS. Did you check that?
    No. I never check tds. Don't have the meter. Is it very important to check tds ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navanod View Post
    Yea, TDS needs to be checked.
    Also, for such an old tank, what is the depth of the substrate? Is the bottom looking reddish brown? If so, there may be sulphur building up, although since the rest of the shrimps are fine, this should not be the case.

    Lastly, is the GH correct? I read that sulawesi lakes have very low GH.
    I though gh and kh is alright to be on the higher side? After all, they like alkaline water and these parameters cannot be too low to achieve that.

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    Re: Failed sulawesi

    by the way, sulawesi snails are more hardy? they seem ok and active ( touch wood).

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    Re: Failed sulawesi

    sulawesi snails are very hardy... no matter how many shrimps die, they still around, happier because they will get to eat the dead ones...

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    Re: Failed sulawesi

    How about NO3 reading?
    You do not need chiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiishi View Post
    How about NO3 reading?
    You do not need chiller.
    I go check if I got the test kit. As for the chiller, I used to have crs. So currently still linked up. Lazy to dismantle. Moreover, the temperature of my tank water can go up to 30-31C easily, so I use the chiller to control about 28c .

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    Temperature at 30-31 should be not issue.

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    Re: Failed sulawesi

    v200,

    When I started my sulawesi tank, I find this link most helpful. I also tend to use the same products that she is using except for the substrate and the guava leaves... LOL. Also, I did cycle the tank for a long time.... a couple of months before adding shrimps.

    http://socalaquascapers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5985

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    Re: Failed sulawesi

    Recently I also had a big setback. My 6 cardinal shrimps that is very hardy for 2 months were all lost last month.
    All just slowly die off. My parameters are as such. Don't know what is the problem.

    ph:9
    tds:485
    nitrate:0
    temp 29-30C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yany View Post
    v200,

    When I started my sulawesi tank, I find this link most helpful. I also tend to use the same products that she is using except for the substrate and the guava leaves... LOL. Also, I did cycle the tank for a long time.... a couple of months before adding shrimps.

    http://socalaquascapers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5985
    Hi Yany, thanks for the read. I guess I might purchase those stuff she is using. Do you know what is the mud for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenng View Post
    Recently I also had a big setback. My 6 cardinal shrimps that is very hardy for 2 months were all lost last month.
    All just slowly die off. My parameters are as such. Don't know what is the problem.

    ph:9
    tds:485
    nitrate:0
    temp 29-30C
    From the looks of it, might be your ph and tds too high. But then again, I never succeeded in keeping the shrimps, so who am I to give advice

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