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    A Good question given to me by a Senior....

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    Was chit chatting with a senior...and he pop out a question which I think it's a interesting one.

    So I was thinking how AQ invertebrates brother's respond and answer.
    Here it goes....

    If you have spend a few thousands on a batch of top end Pure Red or Pure Black Line from Japan...but sudden pop out a beautiful darn solid thick white Snow-White after a few generation or happen to pop out on F1....
    How will you feel?

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    I will feel very bored because the pure red line is not pure at all already.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Darn sad and feel cheated. They aren't pure at all.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Will be darn sad as you spend so much on her.

    But look on the bright side, she might be a pure red line with the red on the head area only.

    Ken

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    If it's F1, then I doubt the colors of the parents will be very good and even if they are, I'll throw back to seller. If it happens many many generations later and only from one specific pair of breeders, then I probably will accept.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navanod View Post
    If it's F1, then I doubt the colors of the parents will be very good and even if they are, I'll throw back to seller. If it happens many many generations later and only from one specific pair of breeders, then I probably will accept.
    Same view. If it happens to F1 then it's really doubtful of its PRL n PBL. If a few generation later it is still acceptable for me

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Actually a few thousands spent on a batch of PRL ....you won't be able to get top end PRL or PBL. I bought a pair of PRL which already cost few thousand and back to the question posted by TS, it depends on the source or the breeder that you get from..so far i have few lineages and bred out few batches but haven't seen any golden/show white. If it happens to have golden/snow white in F1 then the source of PRL that you get ...might not be that pure....and like what mentioned by bro Navanod..if few generations later then get Golden /Snow white and in very so small percentage, I will accept too but so far not yet encountered this...happy shrimping.....

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Japanese have very strong ethics when it come to business, and thats why their price can maintain high throughout the years.. For famous lines, it is hard even to buy a piece of 2 thousand $S, as their stock is limited and the queue is so long. And when one buy, the buyers will go straight to the breeders and not through reseller.

    I think, the problem of unpure prl is least when you buy directly from breeder tank, more likely to happen if you buy from third parties, third countries and resellers. Chances of mixed is high from reseller and unreliable sources.

    Actually do locals need to concern when noone here buy high end prl, hobbyists here are concenrating on low end prl like a batch for thoysand dollars.


    Think about it, if so called Japanese cheats, can famous breeder maintain their price so high? local japanese still willing to pay even if it is sub standard. I need newbies and seniors has the answer straight away.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    I will scream and smash the tank up!
    Just kidding.

    Definitely feel very cheated.
    PRL means PRL, if one is using short cut to achieve that, then why pay the top money for it even if the color is good?

    It is best to communicate with the original breeder whether it was mixed with snow white/golden from the very beginning.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Quote Originally Posted by huizhong View Post

    Anyway I'm still quite newbie, may I ask y snowwhite genes is not desirable in Prl?
    Ya, I would like to know the answer and thoughts especially from TS. would anyone ask for refund if their crs produce wine red offspring?

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    I need more clarification. Which Japan breeder is the source? With thousand price tag, it has a very low chance of snow white.
    But considering it is a solid white, i will just take it as a good luck.
    Only the lucky one can strike toto mah

    I will just continuing the breed and see how many more pop up.
    As long as the rest has a good colour i will not doubt the 'pure'ness of the shrimp.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Quote Originally Posted by Yulbrainer View Post
    I need more clarification. Which Japan breeder is the source? With thousand price tag, it has a very low chance of snow white.
    But considering it is a solid white, i will just take it as a good luck.
    Only the lucky one can strike toto mah

    I will just continuing the breed and see how many more pop up.
    As long as the rest has a good colour i will not doubt the 'pure'ness of the shrimp.
    When is white a lucky color?

    My only question is that whether a White shrimp from a PRL considered as end of the trend or it is because it has Snow White/Golden Gene in it.
    If it is end of the trend, how do we prove it???

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Quote Originally Posted by hyun007 View Post
    When is white a lucky color?

    My only question is that whether a White shrimp from a PRL considered as end of the trend or it is because it has Snow White/Golden Gene in it.
    If it is end of the trend, how do we prove it???
    You need to be more relax bro, have a humor a bit
    To get snow white from prl is 1 in 1000, that doesn't mean it will not.
    Just accept your luck and enjoy the rest of 999.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    If the source is reliable, the chance of getting snow-white from Pure Red Line will be slim.
    Otherwise if the source is not reliable, be it the shrimp is super high end or low end the chance will be higher.
    And it is not limited to Japan, it can also happen in Malaysia, Thailand, Taiwan and even Singapore.

    If i pay thousands of dollars for the PRL, I will not expect snow-white in F1.
    Maybe after few generations it will be still acceptable like what other guys here had mention.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Quote Originally Posted by Yulbrainer View Post
    You need to be more relax bro, have a humor a bit
    To get snow white from prl is 1 in 1000, that doesn't mean it will not.
    Just accept your luck and enjoy the rest of 999.
    I was just asking you when is white a good color for the chinese?
    Maybe only when the bride want to wear white.

    You did not really answered my question of "If a white shrimp appear a few generations after, does that means it is end of the trend color or it has snow white/Golden gene in it?".
    I think this is difficult to answer and will need DNA to prove.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Wa i don't know prl so ex one k per piece?? I thought a few hundred

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Quote Originally Posted by xconnect. View Post
    Wa i don't know prl so ex one k per piece?? I thought a few hundred
    It is a big price range depending on the linage and quality, can be from less than $10 to a few thousand dollars

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Quote Originally Posted by gryphon View Post
    It is a big price range depending on the linage and quality, can be from less than $10 to a few thousand dollars
    ya, just like koi, a few cent per piece as feeder, tip top piece bred famous breeder can cost a few k.
    silane

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    yup i agree with the point on if golden comes out in F1 then no matter what (very solid golden etc) you have to get back to the seller. If golden is spotted like way further down the generation like one in every few hundreds i still feel it is acceptable because ,genetics stuff is very difficult to say..just like some prls do have golden in their linage before it is purified back ..
    Especially if a few hundreds to thousands are being paid, we do expect quality right..?

    but if you are in a situation where a golden appear after many batches , i believe anybody will gladly just purify it and name the line after himself...hehe..
    Aspiring to be.

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    Re: A Good question given to me by a Senior....

    Shouldn't it depend on what type of pattern you start with? If you had a a batch of flowerhead pattern with minimal red for example, would you be really surprised if a snow white appeared in F1?

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