No senior or friend involved, I would like to know......

[soonhong]

Dude, 5000NT is Sing Dollars $2156.
If it is not PRL, will you pay that kind of money for a single shrimp(SS Hino) even if it looks good?
You have to take note that mff don't export their shrimp oversea.
You will have to be in Japan or go there and get yourself.

If someone claim mff has golden gene, they will need to verify whether it came directly from the farm or from another breeder.

My main concern is the story that EL breeder told you that he bought MFF seven years ago and told me he bought in 2010...so how to believe if the breeder can tell different story to different people...and if it is a pure red line or not is not my concern...and MFF PRL pure or not is not my concern either....

[cheetf]

What I mean is that I am encouraging everyone to dig deep for evidence if one wants to know the truth which is not directing at you bro. It is meant for everyone. In that kind of event, we get get the truth faster.

The daogay and kangkong is just an example of how the market works on demand and supply. If people have doubt, they will not buy. Do you think those Taiwanese are stupid enough not to know after a few generations?

I am still waiting for Silane to show me his result of testing JPRL with golden.
How many did he tested to prove that his theory is correct?

We can dig as deep as we want. But as long as the person who buys the shrimp has any intention to resell it's offsprings, we will not have a truthful answer. Like you said he must be stupid.

I believe zphone pointed out that the yuken mff line has become less popular and that maybe the doubt that you mentioned about.

I believe Silane's theory is an application of Mendel's genetic theory.

[silane]

I am still waiting for Silane to show me his result of testing JPRL with golden.
How many did he tested to prove that his theory is correct?

What you want me to show you? What is my theory? what is "how many"?

I do not want to involve in thread, but since you mention my name, I come in.

[Navanod]

My main concern is the story that EL breeder told you that he bought MFF seven years ago and told me he bought in 2010...so how to believe if the breeder can tell different story to different people...and if it is a pure red line or not is not my concern...and MFF PRL pure or not is not my concern either....

Can we have some names please?
Are both of you talking about the same breeder? Later its a different 大大

What you want me to show you? What is my theory? what is "how many"?

I do not want to involve in thread, but since you mention my name, I come in.

I agree. Hyun007 bro, Silane's tests will work based on basic mendel's laws of genetics. I see no evidence that suggests that the golden gene follows more complicated co-domination or is somehow requires multiple recessive defects to manifest. So it's either 0% or a 50% chance to see golden offspring when we do the test.

I'm not flaming you but you seriously need to get your science right before demanding results from others or making blanket statements like "all shrimps are born males". If you wish to disprove existing scientific data, then perhaps you can do the experiment and then come back with results. Who knows, you may discover something entirely new!

I agree with Silane that this thread is degenerating like all other PRL threads. I'm outta here

[soonhong]

Can we have some names please?
Are both of you talking about the same breeder? Later its a different 大大

Hi Bro Navanod, the EL breeder's name can be found in Coolshrimp with the nick Sonhappy2002 .....very easy to see his thread in coolshrimp and I believe many people have added him in facebook as well and I think i will stop posting in this thread....happy shrimping...

[silane]

And also Hyun,

If you are translating informating from this forum to TW breeders, and transmitting messages between the 2 places, you are interpreting the information and you are representing yourself, not the community here.

Shrimp community in Singapore enjoy good relationship with Taiwanese breeders, do not create problem if you do not know the subject well.

[zphone]

I agree. Hyun007 bro, Silane's tests will work based on basic mendel's laws of genetics. I see no evidence that suggests that the golden gene follows more complicated co-domination or is somehow requires multiple recessive defects to manifest. So it's either 0% or a 50% chance to see golden offspring when we do the test.

I'm not flaming you but you seriously need to get your science right before demanding results from others or making blanket statements like "all shrimps are born males". If you wish to disprove existing scientific data, then perhaps you can do the experiment and then come back with results. Who knows, you may discover something entirely new!

I agree with Silane that this thread is degenerating like all other PRL threads. I'm outta here

Fully agreed on this.......Bro hyun007 should do some homeworks and don't just listen what people say and demand for results from others....

[hyun007]

此地无银三百两! Hahahaha!!
sorry, so much mandarin around, cannot resist since no English proverb is as apt.
Translation: There's no 300 taels of buried gold here. There's a story behind this saying. Hehe

It is a joke and it does catch your attention. =)

[hyun007]

I agree. Hyun007 bro, Silane's tests will work based on basic mendel's laws of genetics. I see no evidence that suggests that the golden gene follows more complicated co-domination or is somehow requires multiple recessive defects to manifest. So it's either 0% or a 50% chance to see golden offspring when we do the test.

I'm not flaming you but you seriously need to get your science right before demanding results from others or making blanket statements like "all shrimps are born males". If you wish to disprove existing scientific data, then perhaps you can do the experiment and then come back with results. Who knows, you may discover something entirely new!

I agree with Silane that this thread is degenerating like all other PRL threads. I'm outta here

I am currently working on that one which I had already reply to you, you will be the first one to know the result.

[hyun007]

And also Hyun,

If you are translating informating from this forum to TW breeders, and transmitting messages between the 2 places, you are interpreting the information and you are representing yourself, not the community here.

Shrimp community in Singapore enjoy good relationship with Taiwanese breeders, do not create problem if you do not know the subject well.

When did I said I am representing the community here?
I am just sharing my conversation that I had rather than faking it.

I am also doing my "homework" to dig out the truth for everyone as I am interested to find out how many people actually tested out your way for testing whether a JPRL has golden gene and how many pieces of shrimps were tested for the result to be conclusive.

[silane]

When did I said I am representing the community here?
I am just sharing my conversation that I had rather than faking it.

I am also doing my "homework" to dig out the truth for everyone as I am interested to find out how many people actually tested out your way for testing whether a JPRL has golden gene and how many pieces of shrimps were tested for the result to be conclusive.

let me give you a MCQ:

Q: Which of this combination of PRL and Golden shrimp produces F1 offspring can conclude the PRL(s) has/have golden genes or not ? Note that the PRL and the Golden shrimps are of opposite sex.

A) 1 PRL, 1 Golden
B) 2 PRL, 2 Golden
C) 30 Golden, 30 PRL


3 choices only, very simple, everyone can join the fun...

[felix_fx2]

I'm not a pro at shrimp things but this is a very interesting topic to expand my knowledge of this nature.

B.

Please correct if incorrect once people have posted their answer.

[eviltrain]

it will just need to take (A) to get the answer to find out if the PRL has golden gene or not.

[hyun007]

it will just need to take (A) to get the answer to find out if the PRL has golden gene or not.

You are Wrong to answer it in that way.
It is a MCQ.
The correct answer is A, B and C.

[eviltrain]

You are Wrong to answer it that way.
The correct answer is A, B and C.

If the PRL has golden gene?

Send from my GT-P1000 (Overcome 7 Series v4.0.0)

[Navanod]

Haha, Silane's question is a straight forward one. Answer is A.
If you add more shrimps, it doesn't improve the certainty, as EACH shrimp will need to be separately checked for golden genes!

The degree of certainty that a particular shrimp is free of golden genes, is to see how many offsprings it can produce (when mated with a golden shrimp) that are NOT golden.
We then need to understand what are the mathematical odds of a PRL with golden shrimp NOT GIVING BIRTH to a golden shrimp when mated with a golden shrimp.
Since we know the chances to be 50% per shrimplet baby, the odds of getting a golden shrimp increases with more babies.
See this chart


By the time we get 7 babies from this pair, without seeing any golden, we can be 99% sure there's no golden genes in the PRL.
By the tenth baby, we can be 99.9% sure.
It'll never ever reach a 100%, but as the number of babies goes beyond 10 (and we still don't see any golden), the chances of the PRL being pure goes up to 99.9xxxx%.
There'll always be a tiny chance that the PRL MAY carry golden genes and out of sheer pure incredible luck, that gene is not passed on even after more than 10 babies.

I think I've made my point. To those who catch no ball, try reading up on calculation of probabilities.

[felix_fx2]

it will just need to take (A) to get the answer to find out if the PRL has golden gene or not.

Prl all male, golden all female.
Minimum A correct?

[felix_fx2]

If the PRL has golden gene?

Send from my GT-P1000 (Overcome 7 Series v4.0.0)

Saline post trick question? Haha

[Navanod]

Prl all male, golden all female.
Minimum A correct?

There's no evidence to suggest that the golden gene is a sex linked gene (i.e its not found on the sex chromosome), so make or female makes no difference

[hyun007]

If the PRL has golden gene?

Send from my GT-P1000 (Overcome 7 Series v4.0.0)

What do you think?
Definitely more correct that yours??? No???
By the way, your mailbox is full.