Of Colors & Grading in CRS

[Navanod]

hmm... afterall the grading is given based on the seller's opinion.
buyers may not agree to his grading. eg, i am selling my S grade crs, and a buyer came over my place and said, this is a B grade to him.
so it doesn't matter how complicated and comprehensive the grading system works. i propose we keep it simple and easy! just grade 1,2,3,4,rejects.
even the rejecteds can fetch $20 at this moment i guess.
and maybe a price range for each grade ? so we new birds can learn and estimate the pricing base on the grades? or this will be another new thread?
i really have no idea on prl pricing, as i only visit AQ forum and not other shrimps forums.

Pricing is very sensitive and flexible as its subjected to supply, demand, rarity and whether is local bred or imported. There's no system for pricing other than free market forces.
Yes, I agree that the more simple the system, the better. I'm waiting for Silane to advice on the red/black grading to see how it can be further improved but I think this is more or less as far as we can go.

Acceptance and use is dependent on the majority of hobbyists

[ZackZhou]

Bro navonad, I would suggest a temporary(can be permanent thou) suggestion. But this needs the help of the admins in this forum thou.

1. Any shrimp above the $50/$100(can be discussed) price range must be accompanied by a individual photo of the actual shrimp itself. The admin needs to add in into their rules and regulation. However, I understand that the admins and moderators have their own things to do, we can help ourselves with the more experienced ones in this forum reminding the Ts to come up with a photo or else it would be violating AQ rules. This may not apply to other form of livestocks as generally other livestock do not have too much of a detailed grading and usually much lesser dispute than to shrimps.

This way will achieve the main objective of the grading system, not to get conned and cheated.

2. Sellers background. When you are selling more mid/high grade shrimps, you must attach a setup/general shrimp post in the inverts section link in your sales thread. This is to prevent to a certain extent sellers who bring in directly from Taiwan/Japan and profit from the instant change of hands. otherwise, state where did you buy it from.

The above ways I believe would be able to be carried out more efficiently and easily than a new grading system. Meanwhile, we can continue to crack out nuts and come up with new ideas

[Navanod]

Hahaha! Bro! You really have the making of a politician!
Misquoted.
And what cannot be self regulated, can be dealt with through draconian legislation!

But you know what? I kinda like your idea.
It'll probably drive such sales underground, but then buyers cannot complain if they choose to buy from these dealers.
It may also drive sellers to only deal in sub $50 shrimps to save the trouble so it may actually make getting high grade shrimps even harder. These are repercussions that the admins, the mods and big players have to consider.

[magpie]

I feel that this thread on the grading of crystal red shrimps is only applicable to PRL that is usually sold at a premium price. In our local market, there are basically 2 type of shrimp keepers. Either you go for pattern or intense coloration shrimps. For the former, the highest notch shrimps they are expecting are sss flowerhead/crown shrimps that are usually achieved with snow whites/golden through selective breeding. The latter I will consider them as experience breeder that is willing to fork out huge amount of money to get PRL with the ultimate aim of breeding superb coloration shrimp. They preferred colour to pattern.

[magpie]

Actually, the marketplace sell thread template is already very comprehensive. You have an option to choose whether is the shrimps you are selling is low grade, mid or high grade. For ethical seller, they will state according. There is also option to choose whether is the livestock self breeder, 2nd hand from someone or previously from LFS. With all these information, buyer will rarely expect the quality of shrimps they are getting. But there is still loophole in the sale thread as seller can choose to omit these information. ultimately, it is still happy seller happy buyer.

[cheetf]

Bro navonad, I would suggest a temporary(can be permanent thou) suggestion. But this needs the help of the admins in this forum thou.

1. Any shrimp above the $50/$100(can be discussed) price range must be accompanied by a individual photo of the actual shrimp itself. The admin needs to add in into their rules and regulation. However, I understand that the admins and moderators have their own things to do, we can help ourselves with the more experienced ones in this forum reminding the Ts to come up with a photo or else it would be violating AQ rules. This may not apply to other form of livestocks as generally other livestock do not have too much of a detailed grading and usually much lesser dispute than to shrimps.

This way will achieve the main objective of the grading system, not to get conned and cheated.

2. Sellers background. When you are selling more mid/high grade shrimps, you must attach a setup/general shrimp post in the inverts section link in your sales thread. This is to prevent to a certain extent sellers who bring in directly from Taiwan/Japan and profit from the instant change of hands. otherwise, state where did you buy it from.

The above ways I believe would be able to be carried out more efficiently and easily than a new grading system. Meanwhile, we can continue to crack out nuts and come up with new ideas

Sounds like an excellent idea!

[cheetf]

Actually, the marketplace sell thread template is already very comprehensive. You have an option to choose whether is the shrimps you are selling is low grade, mid or high grade. For ethical seller, they will state according. There is also option to choose whether is the livestock self breeder, 2nd hand from someone or previously from LFS. With all these information, buyer will rarely expect the quality of shrimps they are getting. But there is still loophole in the sale thread as seller can choose to omit these information. ultimately, it is still happy seller happy buyer.

So tell me what is a QC failed high grade shrimp? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[magpie]

QC failed high grade shrimp is what? How I know? You ask the seller lah why ask me?

[cheetf]

That's the whole point. The current template of descriptions can be very confusing and vague. Needs something that describes the shrimp being sold more accurately so that people will have a better idea what they will be getting.

[magpie]

So are you confused by the word QC failed or high grade shrimps? I only chanced upon sale thread with title QC failed hino, s grade or sss grade. Never seen anyone mentioned QC high grade shrimp. If you can find one pasted the link here.

[cheetf]

Here is part of the description.

Item(s): Q.C Failed PRL

Condition/Quality:

Plants/livestock: High grade

If QC fail is still high grade?

[Navanod]

Although this is an excellent example to show that "self QC" is somewhat hard to understand if there's no common standards for the QC, I must give credits to those sellers who at least try. I think there's progress to a certain extent.

That being said, I must request that we do not get overly personal in this thread to avoid derailing the whole thing over yet another argument. Thanks

[stormhawk]

With reference to the "QC fail" sales thread by a fellow member, that is entirely within his rights to title his sales thread as such, oxymoron or not.

As for Zack's suggestion, if we do this, we have to apply it to everything else, including fish and equipment. I don't think each and every seller would want to take photographs of his/her own stuff for sale unless to make the sales more enticing to a prospective buyer. On the issue of reselling livestock from overseas or other sources, it is not encouraged, but well within their rights to do so as sellers. It is ultimately up to the buyer to decide by themselves.

[silane]

2. Sellers background. When you are selling more mid/high grade shrimps, you must attach a setup/general shrimp post in the inverts section link in your sales thread. This is to prevent to a certain extent sellers who bring in directly from Taiwan/Japan and profit from the instant change of hands. otherwise, state where did you buy it from.

Only sources from Taiwan/Japan? How about Hong Kong and Thailand ?

[ZackZhou]

Only sources from Taiwan/Japan? How about Hong Kong and Thailand ?

Haha, of course, from anywhere. Reselling is a form of comercial practice. Shouldnt be allowed in forumer buy/sell am I right?

[ZackZhou]

With reference to the "QC fail" sales thread by a fellow member, that is entirely within his rights to title his sales thread as such, oxymoron or not.

As for Zack's suggestion, if we do this, we have to apply it to everything else, including fish and equipment. I don't think each and every seller would want to take photographs of his/her own stuff for sale unless to make the sales more enticing to a prospective buyer. On the issue of reselling livestock from overseas or other sources, it is not encouraged, but well within their rights to do so as sellers. It is ultimately up to the buyer to decide by themselves.

Hi mod,
We are not saying that the TS for the qc failed prl is wrong. It just shows how the system is too vague. If it continue like this, I believe that a Berber incident, kk fade colour thread will be repeated every now and then.

Once again, I do think it's better to limit the rules to inverts with higher price only. This will solve your queries too. The reason that I believe and came up with this idea, is by looking at the marketplace, most people selling higher range prls did put up, or being requested to display photos when buyers want to buy. I do believe the selling of shrimps should be taken noticed as it takes up quite a large percentage in the marketplace sales.

[Navanod]

Bro Zack,

We can only propose, educate and encourage but ultimately, enforcement is not for us to say.
For every rule, there're repercussions. It'll be a knee jerk reaction to go from wild wild west to draconian rules overnight. Your plans have their merits and we can encourage it by setting an example as well as pointing out obvious misrepresentations when we see them.

Actually, for the QC failed, the TS did say what it was that failed them after I took a closer look. It is what I had stated for G5 failed grade, cracks in the color.

[stormhawk]

I guess if a buyer truly wants to get what he paid for, then it's best for him to go pick it himself from the seller's tanks. It is ultimately a question of trust, and if that is not possible then no transaction should take place, be it with QC failed shrimps or not.

The forum only provides a venue for people to buy and sell things, including livestock. The agreement to purchase or sell is a personal matter between the parties involved, hence there should not be any third party intervention unless required, like in cases of cheating and selling defective goods. This applies to reselling. If a person is reselling items, that is within their rights because once the goods have changed ownership, the previous seller or others should not be making complaints. You can inform a prospective buyer of this matter privately via PM if you so wish.

A simple fix is for people to fully state what they are selling with necessary info on any defects if applicable. You don't need to change the template as it is right now, and the rest of the admins and mods agree likewise.