Do you believe in Lousy Batch Shrimps ??

[chansl]

Hi bro

When i first started crs keeping, i purchase around 11 SS crs from a breeder .. Big fat and nice shrimps from Jurong .. I guess you guys know who already .. After everything stable down, I purchase 10 more shrimps from a local LFS . So they come in a batch of 10 crs in a packet straight from the supplier and they were small and not very thick white .. Same grade SS

The problem is those i purchased from Jurong were really nice and they kept berried and give birth to small shrimplets while those i bought from LFS start to die off .. Not so dramatic as one per week but like 2 weeks one or 3 weeks one .. So far already 5 death How i determine is based on the size as obviously those from Jurong were bigger than those i bought from LFS.

I test my water quality except TDS ... everything seems fine .. Shrimplets are growing big fast and the big ones are having more babies .. While those from the LFS were small and they dont seem to be growing up .. Like seriously still small ...

I was suggesting that if the water has any issue, the shrimplets would have be wiped out first .. But it is not the case hence i think that there is a possibility of lousy batch shrimps ?

Moreover, during Silane talk, he mentioned about industry secret and industry way of keeping shrimps make me wonder are there some kind of discretionary in "normal" way of shrimp breeding and "industry" way of keeping them .. Just want to hear some of opinions .. Not offending anyone or breeders .. Just want to hear if there is encounters of "lousy batch" shrimps .

[cheetf]

How about some water parameters?

Do you change water?

How did you introduce the shrimps?

Sometimes it's not lousy shrimps but the water conditions that they are not used to.

[avex30]

Problem could be the water they are kept in. Not your tank but the parameter which they were breed in. I have a example I got from breeder A 10 piece and another breeder B 20 piece. Breeder A shrimp kept and breed in this parameter ph 5.8 gh 3-4 Tds not provided breeder B ph 6.2-6.4 gh 2-3. I introduce them into my tank breeder A shrimp since to enjoy the the water condition (my parameter is near to breeder A) they swim and play bottom part of the tank breeder B shrimps seem to be staying in then middle or area to water surface. After a month breeder A for me start to breeder while breeder B shrimps start to see them having stress some
Faded colour some eventually die. What was left is the colour since to stay faded never recover.

[felix_fx2]

Hi chansl,

i believe someone (xconnect) raised such a question during the GC talk by Silane.
I recall he mention the conditions farms breed CRS in are quite different from hobbyist.

Follow up to what avex30 has mentioned, it does make some sense to me even when i am not the avid shrimp keeper.

[silane]

Hi chansl,

i believe someone (xconnect) raised such a question during the GC talk by Silane.
I recall he mention the conditions farms breed CRS in are quite different from hobbyist.

Follow up to what avex30 has mentioned, it does make some sense to me even when i am not the avid shrimp keeper.

Actually I was answering to fire red, which produce in a particular country was not bred as tank condition and congested shipping condition, worse is bad sales condition. For CRS, they are almost tanks bred, except some sources from 2 countries which are very near to Singapore. I think for this case, the poor health of the shrimps can be in bags for too long or poor handling/shipping of the shrimps.

For firered, dont buy the big and very red ones, these are the ones has lower survival rate.

[chansl]

Wow thank for your input .. Master Silane .. So if we want to get Firered .. What are the things should we look out or where do you think can we get better quality shrimps as i believe for fire red, we look at the intensity of the red ..

Actually I was answering to fire red, which produce in a particular country was not bred as tank condition and congested shipping condition, worse is bad sales condition. For CRS, they are almost tanks bred, except some sources from 2 countries which are very near to Singapore. I think for this case, the poor health of the shrimps can be in bags for too long or poor handling/shipping of the shrimps.

For firered, dont buy the big and very red ones, these are the ones has lower survival rate.

[silane]

Intensified red mean aged, this type should be avoided, go for mid size which you see it has potential to have thicker color when grow bigger. Buy from LFS that allow choose or ask those LFS that sell in bags which day and time the fresh talk usually arrive and you go for a fresh pick. And sometime hot temperature can heat the water up and weaken the shrimps, bring small foam box to keep the shrimps cool with a handful of ice, avoid the bag of shrimps to come with direct contact with bag of shrimps.

[Owls]

Actually I was answering to fire red, which produce in a particular country was not bred as tank condition and congested shipping condition, worse is bad sales condition. For CRS, they are almost tanks bred, except some sources from 2 countries which are very near to Singapore. I think for this case, the poor health of the shrimps can be in bags for too long or poor handling/shipping of the shrimps.

For firered, dont buy the big and very red ones, these are the ones has lower survival rate.

Hi Bro Silane, suppose to attend your talk but can't make it due to work. Sorry just to clarified the firered that you say. What is the reason?
Is it due to no. Of time they get pregnant, because my firered tend to get very red since they started pregnant?
Or is it due to the age of them? The older they are the reddish it is?
Thanks for the guidance. Cheers)

[silane]

As a female fire red grow age, the color get intensified, this happened for all fire red, females get intensified more, male less. And in some cases, berried fire red color intensified. So by default, their color get intensified when they grow older.

Don't miss the next talk, I will share more info.

[Owls]

As a female fire red grow age, the color get intensified, this happened for all fire red, females get intensified more, male less. And in some cases, berried fire red color intensified. So by default, their color get intensified when they grow older.

Don't miss the next talk, I will share more info.

Thanks bro, will not miss your next talk. Cheers

[chansl]

Anyway .. 7 out the 10 shrimps i bought from the supplier died during the duration they are kept .. while the 10 i bought from Jurong .. Still kicking alive and never stop breeding .. Little shrimplets are moving around happily and looking for food .. the 3 left never seemed to grow up .. Still looks small ..

[avex30]

Anyway .. 7 out the 10 shrimps i bought from the supplier died during the duration they are kept .. while the 10 i bought from Jurong .. Still kicking alive and never stop breeding .. Little shrimplets are moving around happily and looking for food .. the 3 left never seemed to grow up .. Still looks small ..

Supplier as in lfs or from those breeder?

[chansl]

LFS bro .. Is like you order from the LFS .. Then he will order from the fish farm supplier .. When the fish shop supplier arrived, he will already have a packet of ten inside the bag .. around 0.7-0.8 cm ...

[magpie]

chansl, so you are stating that shrimps bought from LFS are smaller in size and weaker than those SS shrimps you got from home breeder?

[hyun007]

chansl, so you are stating that shrimps bought from LFS are smaller in size and weaker than those SS shrimps you got from home breeder?

Size wise is not the case but I think it is possible for a weaker shrimps in LFS as some of the LFS do not really know how to take care of the shrimps and they are generally weaker due to stress from shipment.

[chansl]

Oh well .. For my case, i would say that home breeder shrimps are better than shrimps bought from LFS suppliers as we dont know how these LFS supplier breed them, in what kind of condition. But of course, maybe is just an isolated issue and i am not implying that we should not get from LFS. Just sharing some of my experience on my case regarding the huge differences in home breeder and local LFS ..

chansl, so you are stating that shrimps bought from LFS are smaller in size and weaker than those SS shrimps you got from home breeder?