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    Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

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    Due to multiple mistakes made earlier
    most probably due to overdose of fertilizer. There was a huge algae bloom.
    BBA, GSA, staghorn algae and other hair algae you name it. The situation
    got out of control so i took the opportunity to clean up everything,
    filter / new soil / new pipes and hose.


    Rescaped my tank on x'mas eve.
    into this:



    Everything was good, the cycling process was moving well. But i ran into a problem.
    The fissidens and spiky/taiwan moss all turned brown!!!






    and also this plant which i presume is HM.
    A few stalks have leaves turning pale /translucent.




    i did my water tests to see how far into the cycling process my tank is currently in.


    lighting duration: 8hrs
    water temperature: 25-26degrees celsius
    ph: 6.6 when co2 was present
    early morning before i go to work , ph reading was about 7.2
    gh: whopping 25ppm (25 drops before it changes color, API test kit)
    kh: 7ppm

    ammonia: 1ppm
    nitrite: 1ppm
    nitrate: 5ppm






    i tried and narrowed down the possibilities

    1.I read up on nutrient deficiency in plants. And i thought this could be because of lack of potassium in the water. i've since started dosing seachem potassium but low dosage.


    i also did my first dose of fertilizer which i was reluctant to use initially, because i felt i caused the algae bloom earlier when i overdosed this:

    and also seachem iron (because i was very eager, maybe too eager to see my mayaca fluviatilis in my previous setup become greener. probably caused the algae bloom. silly mistake )





    2. Could it be the moss/fissiden/hm are acclimating to the new water conditions?
    In the previous setup, the mayaca i planted were turning brown and brittle initially. After a few weeks of trimming, they started growing new shoots very quickly and became a healthier looking whitish green color.
    the moss and other plants in my office nano tank certainly supports this possibility. As i largely left it alone except for partial water changes, the minifissiden turn from a dying brown into dark green again. And also the moss are turning green and starting to grow new fronds


    3. Could it also be due to the excessively high GH reading? i was quite astounded that my tank water was this hard. 25ppm!?
    What could have cause this high reading? I tried water change but the reading remains high. Is it The sand? rocks?


    Sorry for the long read, i was trying to provide as much information as possible.
    So i can get help from you guys.

    So my main questions are:

    1. In this situation. Will the moss/fissiden turn green again? should i leave them alone or prune the dead parts away? As much as possible i wouldnt want to do any
    major shifting as im quite happy with the current layout.

    2. What parameters should i try to adjust and how and how much?

    3. Should i continue dosing fertilizer? Or which fertilizer should i dose more
    or stop completely?



    Please help me!!!!

    Thanks everyone!

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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    Hi first of all, very nice scape. i think probably it's the moss acclimating to the new environment. maybe wait for a week more to see any improvement before you dose more things? sometimes trying hard to fix things will make the situation worse. just my point of view

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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    Thanks for the great advice bro, it seems a little patience goes a long way



    mini update:
    i'm starting to see some green creeping out from the mosses!!
    only the rock in this picture, stil very brown, i have since trimmed off the excessive "dead" brown
    parts.



    even new hydrocotyle leaves are starting from the soil!



    cycling: almost done with the cycling process
    ammonia: 0ppm
    nitrite: almost 0ppm
    nitrate: 5ppm
    kh: 7ppm
    dh: still a whopping 25ppm.

    i have reading of 4ppm gh on my tapwater though.


    do i need to soften the water using water softener?
    because i done some researching on the fauna i would like to keep
    and i found most need soft acidic water.

    for the fauna:
    i intend to keep 10 corydoras hastatus
    6 bee/crystal red shrimps
    2 zebra otos

    the bioload should be low.
    water change regime would likely be once every 3-4 days (about 15% water)

    please advise whether this is sufficient?
    Thanks!

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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    great, please update regularly haha , hmm since your PH is 6.6 shouldn't be a problem for the fauna.

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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    Something not right with your setup. How much bps you inject? Your kh too high, which such high kh you must have inject lots of co2 to pull ph down to 6.6 from 7.2. Your gh also too high, is the white sand coral sand? IMO plant not do well in hih kh.
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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    after reading up and looking for pictures. i think the white sand is indeed coral sand
    oh my god.

    currently ph is around 6.6(evening after whole day of co2 injection) 6.8 (in the morning before i switch on the co2)
    co2 at around 1-2bps
    kh reading is stabilized at 6. is that still high?

    i have oyster shell chips in my canister filter to act as ph buffer as well. should i remove them?
    will removing the white sand help? but then again is there any possible way to
    adjust the gh lower without removing all the coral sand? (abit impossible )
    i read about the water softener pillow thing, is that a feasible option?

    yet to add in any livestock. although cycling process is almost over.

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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    impossible it will be pulling game, softener will pulling it down while coral chip will pulling it up.
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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    so the only way left is i really need to remove all the coral sand?

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    Re: Rescaped tank, moss turns brown

    Update:

    Removed almost all of the coral sand. Probably only negligible amount here and there. Removed oyster shells in the canister
    As well.

    Kh dropped to 3
    Ph at 6.6 to 7

    Gh dropped from the whopping 25
    To around 15-16
    Probably the rocks are also contributing to
    The gh. Im hoping to reduce the gh to stabilise
    At 10 or less.

    But I want the water parameters to be constant.
    Rather than having to interfere every now and then.

    Im thinking of stocking up bottled distilled water
    For water change purposes. I really hope I can keep
    Crs and corydoras hastatus in this setup.

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