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Lol, Uncle Ronnie is such a humble chap. I still think his guidance will be priceless on account of his experience and friendliness.
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Ok... I guess this is where I quietly slip off the podium...
Ok... I guess this is where I quietly slip off the podium...
I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
Ronnie Lee
Lol, Uncle Ronnie is such a humble chap. I still think his guidance will be priceless on account of his experience and friendliness.
Ok... I guess this is where I quietly slip off the podium...
haha no! you should give a lecture on the differences! It's hardly unexpected though, not many people realise that there is a difference between daphnia and moina.
That's true. In any case with so many other live foods available on the market, aquatists are spoilt for choice. So the absence of 'big bad boons' or whatever boons is not missed by them.
I admit it is only recently that I came to know of Moina, as before that all I knew was there's 'Daphnia' sold in some shops. I didn't know there's small and big boon varieties, lol. I only remember I used to see bundles of red Daphnia in childhood.
LIFE IS UNBEARABLE WITHOUT A FISH TANK!!!
Indeed, I have learnt a lot from this thread; before last week, I had assumed that all water fleas were the same, that it didn't matter whether it was true Daphnia or Moina. Now I know better.
Guys, credit should go to Stormhawk for enlightening us. Read this post.
Hels the bugger who added Moina into our vocabulary and I'm just the fella who did the dirty work!!
I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
Ronnie Lee
Fish.. Simply Irresistable
Back to Killies... slowly.
I thought he still has them? And Ron, my cyclops and indostomus say: Many thanks for the green agar agar
Thanks Stormhawk for the knowledge.
I became interested in boons after chancing upon Uncle Ronnie and Stormwalk's very interesting posts in the other thread titled "Daphnia Culturing", which I think should rightly remain the main thread for matters relating to the raising of Daphnia (Magna, Pulex, Moina, etc.)
This thread is intended only for discussing general views and ideas relating to the use of Daphnia in general. Hopefully, someone will be able to find out a way to obtain or raise those 'big bad boons' (Magna) for our pet fish.
Guys, credit should go to Stormhawk for enlightening us. Read this post.
Hels the bugger who added Moina into our vocabulary and I'm just the fella who did the dirty work!!
it's very lucky enough to find even just moina in Sg. I cant even find any moina and live bbs back in my hometown.just dry bbs.. haha
Moina is cheap and plentiful, if you can find an LFS that stocks them. Only drawback is the stink. Knowing how they are cultured, I am not surprised with the stink. Just don't keep them around for longer than 3 days, or the stink will attract flies.
gachua, dry BBS eggs? The hatch grade is not important, the storage is. Wrongly stored, they'll produce very bad hatches, even for high grade eggs. Where is your hometown?
Fish.. Simply Irresistable
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just 3 days?!! that's short~ with the fishes i have, 1 month also cant finish the 1 whole bag. haha...
i'm frm sarawak~ cat city... =P
Do you mean you can't find Daphnia (eg. Moina) in Sarawak fish shops? Have you tried exploring the ponds in eg. some rural areas there? I believe they can be easily found in fishless and healthy green public ponds or lakes. If I live there, I will definitely spend some time looking around for them, if only just to get my hands on a small netful of juicy and red 'big bad boons' for a starter culture.
Apparently these tiny creatures thrive on stink. After all, the stink is caused by bacteria in foul decomposition, and Daphnia revel in taking in the bacteria. But they can easily be overwhelmed by too much of a 'good' thing.
Incidentally, when I first bought a packet of Moina, I transferred the active ones and discarded the stinky dead ones. That was a mistake. all the Moina
perished on the first day. With the second packet, I simply carefully siphoned off the main bulk of the dead ones at the bottom, leaving a 'reasonable'
amount behind to ' to serve the live Moinas', since I reasoned dead Daphnia are also infested by bacteria. My second packet then were alive for many days.
But of course me being a greenhorn, it is expected that I wasn't able to keep the colony going for very long. That would require years if not a life-time,
of experience.
=stormhawk;656483]Moina is cheap and plentiful, if you can find an LFS that stocks them. Only drawback is the stink.
Knowing how they are cultured,
I am not surprised with the stink. Just don't keep them around for longer than 3 days, or the stink will attract flies.
gachua, dry BBS eggs? The hatch grade is not important, the storage is. Wrongly stored, they'll produce very bad hatches, even for high grade eggs. Where is your hometown?
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The problem with the stink is, it gets very offensive over time. Moina don't survive very well in an enclosed space and if cultured in a brand new tank, they're bound to crash.
Fish.. Simply Irresistable
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I would say culturing Daphnia is the most challenging activity in the world of aquatics.
Unlike raising algae or fish, the demands for correct water and environmental conditions are infinitely more critical, there being so many interdependent variables involved in the established parameters for its cultivation.
It's been nearly a week since I brought home a bag of Moina, and it seems that the culture has crashed, despite my daily "feedings" of Liquifry to help encourage bacterial growth. I can still see some swimming around in the water, but I don't think they'll be able to create a population explosion. In the meantime, however, I now have a makeshift EcoSphere.
Hmm... So culturing of freshwater artemia, culturing of triops, culturing of krill, to raise a few examples, are not more, or at least as challenging as?
Right you are, sir. Nothing is as challenging as keeping a cultivated culture of Daphnia going.
For other live food, as long as one dedicates one's attention and efforts to make a good job out of it, one can be assured of continuous success. But not so with Daphnia with most people. Even knowledgeable cultivators can have their colonies crash unexpectedly on them for 'no reason', or any number of reasons. They are extremely demanding creatures. They hate to play second fiddle. They must be number one. It's either them or the fish, lol.
Well if you say so sir. Culturing and rearing are different things. Do know the difference.
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